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ITT we fold a full house in the 11r
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February 11, 2013 - 9:55 pm
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So, this hand was interesting. Villain was best described as a tight and fairly passive reg of what seemed like mediocre ability, who I didn't recognise. We had no real history, I hadn't been playing too many hands and he was running roughly 13/9 or something.

I think pre and flop are standard. I checked turn because I thought his flop c/c range as PFR was mostly AK/AQ, and I was planning to go for thin value on rivers instead of probably folding out those hands on turn. However, when he bombs river like that I just can't put him on a bluffing range. I feel like he would check his A high hands and pray for showdown, so now I think he has an overpair which he slowplayed for some reason, or he binked his T on river. Having said that, I don't really know what my range looks like on turn, or whether villain was even competent at all – he could easily have been pretty bad and making a mistake here.

 

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t125/t250 Blinds + t25 – 9 players – View hand 2098614

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): BB = 52.9, t13218
CO: BB = 164.8, t41193
BTN: BB = 57.1, t14272
SB: BB = 17.7, t4425
BB: BB = 20.7, t5168
UTG: BB = 62.1, t15537
UTG+1: BB = 51.5, t12874
UTG+2: BB = 57.0, t14244
MP1: BB = 38.4, t9602

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is MP2 with 7 of diamonds 7 of hearts
UTG raises to t500, 3 folds, Hero calls t500, 4 folds

Flop: (t1600) 2 of diamonds 2 of spades 8 of hearts (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t736, UTG calls t736

Turn: (t3072) 2 of clubs (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t3072) T of hearts (2 players)
UTG bets t2250, Hero folds

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February 12, 2013 - 6:19 am
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Just to double check – this is after the rebuy period is over?

 

Think you have to fold to this rvr bet. Looks to me like he is trapping with big pair and was probably planning on c/r you on the turn but when you check back he doesnt get the opportunity. Looks like he is going for max value on rvr from exactly the kind of hand you have. Some % of the time this might be a bluff if he thinks you have a hand like AJ AQ and is trying to get you to fold a chop.

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February 12, 2013 - 6:50 am
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I can’t see a tight/passive reg doing this with anything other than an overpair or boat. Good fold imo.

I am interested in the turn check decision though. I would probably bet this turn if I thought his range was mostly overcards, especially if I thought he was giving up unless he hits. Anyone else betting the turn?

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February 12, 2013 - 3:34 pm
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I think i call. I think most people will cbet this flop with overpairs. 

I think he has A10 or bluffs most of the times. 

 

If you bet flop, i think i like betting turn aswell since i dont think he will check overpairs often on flop. 

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Need to bet turn both for value and to better define hand ranges in my opinion. Now we're stuck in a sort of wtf spot and are blindly guessing at a range that's probably more value hands than bluffs. 

Tight/passive regs aren't betting this river with Ax and KQ type hands often enough so we shouldn't level ourselves into thinking we're trying to be blown off a chop. 

His hand range does look like it could be overpairs or 88 a lot. I'd expect the unpaired broadways to c-bet almost always. 

Yes, we fold a boat but also the one of the weakest ones we can have. I don't really see a call being profitable often at all. 

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FkCoolers said:

Need to bet turn both for value and to better define hand ranges in my opinion.

+1 to this. Bet turn and check back pretty much any river.

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