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It's official... I'm clueless how to play the big stack at the table
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July 11, 2010 - 3:34 pm
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I’m playing the 21:15 $8k Guarantee on Stars last night.

In the first hour, I hit top set where 4 different people push. I end up with $14k and the blinds were 25/50.

I proceed to bleed away chips until I don’t even cash.

I’d love to tell you about the bad beats and suckouts (and there were a few including one that cost me about 60% of my remaining stack) but the fact is I played horribly.

I tried to bully a table that was full of calling stations. I played too many medicore hands. I called with too many hands rationalizing that they were “drawing hands”.

This isn’t the first time this has happened to me. I’m pretty competent in most aspects, but I don’t seem to be able to adjust well to be the big stack at a table.

How much do should you open up your range when you’ve got a dominant stack? Or maybe a better question is, should you open up your range when you’ve got a dominant stack?

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July 11, 2010 - 7:33 pm
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I have had similar problems and I am working on plugging the leaks in my game, but the biggest piece of advice I can give is if you run into guys at your table who aren’t budging and are stationy, tighten up. Go after them with less marginal hands and don’t bother bluffing into them or trying to make fancy 3-bet maneuvers, they aren’t going to get it and it will only cost you chips. Stationy players should force you into a more ABC Poker style to preserve. If players at your table are tight and you can push them around, then accumulate, otherwise back down a bit and tighten up. Thats my thoughts for what its worth 🙂

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July 11, 2010 - 9:20 pm
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lespaulgman said:

I have had similar problems and I am working on plugging the leaks in my game, but the biggest piece of advice I can give is if you run into guys at your table who aren’t budging and are stationy, tighten up. Go after them with less marginal hands and don’t bother bluffing into them or trying to make fancy 3-bet maneuvers, they aren’t going to get it and it will only cost you chips. Stationy players should force you into a more ABC Poker style to preserve. If players at your table are tight and you can push them around, then accumulate, otherwise back down a bit and tighten up. Thats my thoughts for what its worth 🙂


Good advise

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July 11, 2010 - 9:25 pm
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I agree with the previous advice and have experienced it as well. In the lower buy-in tournaments people are usually loose and there to gamble. When you are facing calling stations best to tighten up. I usually try to see the flop for cheap and see if I can make a great hand. If you try to play to agressive you bleed chips as you mentioned and pay more to see the flop. If I am dealing with these yahoos I have no problem limping to see the flop. You want to still play great hands agressive but if they are calling everything no need to raise with marginal to good hands, just keep it cheap. It is all about flexibility in the situation.

 

 

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I wouldn’t try to bully early stages with a big stack.  late stages is a different story.  I’d just continue to approach hands using the villains stack as your guide since that is the effective stack.  those extra chips you try to push around for actually end up putting you in weird spots imo.

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Yeah, continuing off what RFB said it’s important to still play ABC TAG poker at the pre-ante levels even if you’ve somehow managed to accumulate a ton of chips. Later you should bully medium stacks who have room to fold pre-flop while avoiding other big stacks and small stacks for the most part.

One of the most common mistakes I see from big stacks in mid-stages is trying to bust every short stack at the table by calling their all-ins every time and shoving into them with ATC when they’re going to call to try and double. 

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Good thread with plenty of solid infoWink

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FkCoolers has a really great point about early and mid level play, one that has cost me a ton of deep runs and several cashes as well. When you move from a medium stack up to a big stack one of the most important things to remember is how your Fold Equity changes. Something that I have found through a ton of unwanted experiementation is that once you have a big stack, short stacks are just hoping that you are looking to bust you and will try to take more shots at you, hoping that you will liberally call them and give them a double up while being realatively cheap for you. Gotta stop that manuever as fast as you can. By all means with premium holdings go for anyone and everyones stacks, but in your marginal holdings attach medium stacks. They are usually inclined to hang around for a flop and depending on the player and aggression level can float, but a lot of them shrink away when that second barrel fires because the river means serious damage to them. Big stacks I find are screwy to play against and albeit tempting targets should be managed with caution. A lot of times in low buy in tournements I find that big stacks turn guys into Calling Stations for no other reason than they think they can afford the hit. Unfortunetly that hurts your ability to play and to try to move them off hands.

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