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martymac
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May 10, 2012 - 7:08 pm
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Played in my first SCOOP event on Sunday it was the $27 L Over 28k runners and we are down to 294

 

I just got moved to the table fairly recently and only have 55 hands with most of the players. I was fairly unlucky with the table draw as I think I was 9th at the time and ended up with some big stacks but anyway.

 

The Villian is running 15/13/ 15% 3 bet over 55 hands, I have been tight 11/7/7.

 

I have stopped it on the turn for discussion, I also want to say that I dont like my bet size on the flop and was actually surprised to see it when I played it back. It was a mistake and I would normally bet slightly more, but I put it down to multi tabling and playing for 10+hours at that stage 🙂

 

Poker Stars $25+$2 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t12500/t25000 Blinds + t3125 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

BTN: BB = 86.5, t2162889
SB: BB = 11.1, t276563
Hero (BB): BB = 63.9, t1596482
UTG: BB = 12.0, t299069
UTG+1: BB = 35.0, t875294
UTG+2: BB = 102.3, t2558196
MP1: BB = 57.0, t1425681
MP2: BB = 26.8, t670082
CO: BB = 50.4, t1259760

Pre Flop: (t65625) Hero is BB with T of hearts T of clubs
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t60000, 5 folds, Hero raises to t137500, UTG+2 calls t77500

Flop: (t315625) 9 of diamonds 6 of clubs 7 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t137500, UTG+2 calls t137500

Turn: (t590625) 3 of clubs (2 players)
Hero bets t237500, UTG+2 raises to t550000,

 

What would you do now and how would you have played it differently?

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May 10, 2012 - 8:22 pm
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flop sizing seems fine, with the two flush possibilities i probably call turn and check/call most rivers based on sizing.

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May 10, 2012 - 8:47 pm
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yeah i like flop sizing, (43% by my math), i usually have it default to 40% but i think 35-45 is fine.

 

i also agree with duggs, c/c turn and river assuming diamonds miss

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May 10, 2012 - 8:52 pm
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Did you think about just flatting pre? We are oop and too deep to play for stacks if he 4 bets. Seems like he will be flatting a decent amount since he has over 100bb and can play you in position. A good rule of thumb is to keep the pot smaller when you are oop with a marginal hand. I know 1010 has a lot of value preflop, but its value goes down the deeper we are, and there are a lot of flops we don't like. Since he has positon he may float us on a lot of flops just to take it away on the turn. This just puts us in a very difficult position where it's hard to know exactly where we are at. If this was a cutoff/button open then i would be much more likely to 3 bet a big stack open and maybe get it in, but he is raising from earlier position.

As played, I would probably check call turn and let him bluff because this is the type of board he would be likely to auto float us on because he would think it misses most of our 3 bet range. When he raises turn I think we either need to shove or fold. The pot will be 1.7million and we will only have a little under 800k behind. What range do we put the villain on? I think he would raise flop if he was slowplaying aa or kk, and he won't raise turn with 1010-qq. It looks like some kind of combo draw. maybe 910cc or something. I would expect him to raise a set on the flop as well to maximize his value if you have an overpair, considering the draw heavy board. Pretty gross spot, but thats why i think flatting pre is best. Honestly don't know what the optimal play is once he raises your turn bet. I think its more of a pair plus draw or straigh+flush draw he's raising with so i wouldn't hate a jam, but couldn't fault a fold and have 40+bb to work the rest of the tournament with either.

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May 10, 2012 - 8:56 pm
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out of interest, are you 3bet/getting it in here?

against his stats if he is barrely post i kind of prefer a flat pre.

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May 10, 2012 - 8:58 pm
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also 3bet shoving turn folds out all his air/weaker made hands that are vulnerable. raise/call turn, check/call river seems fine

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May 10, 2012 - 9:00 pm
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I prob flat pre, and let him pay me 3 streets with worse

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Thanks guys and great post pokerkids.

 

I think my problem with the flop cbet was that it was the exact same size as my 3bet pre, and I thought that maybe looked weak.

 

When I lead the turn The pot is $828.125 and I have $1,080,857 left

When he 3 bets the pot is 1,378,125 and if a flat I will only have 768,357 left and the pot is 1,690,625

 

As I’ve went over it I agree with pokerkids that I should jam or fold here. If I flat and another scare card for my hand (assuming im ahead at this point) hits the river. What do I do? 1.7m pot and I only have 768k.Although from memory the average stack at this time may have only been 600/700k. At the time I did not think of that, and to be honest from the point I stopped it at I dont know what I was thinking!

 

Duggs when do you mean 3bet getting it in?

 

Seems clear my3bet pre is the first mistake that led to the problems. I am actually hoping to take it down pre, but as said above he is so deep he can flat with a lot of hands IP. Then flop and turn were so pretty good for my hand so thats how I got into toubles.

Im gonna leave this for some more discussion then post the results.

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May 11, 2012 - 7:42 am
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First I will give a sort of spoiler, I'll say we get to the river but not how we get there.

 

The river is Jd

Assuming we flatted the turn pot 1.7m hero has 768,357…… ?

If we shoved the turn and he called what range do we put him on and what are expecting him to show?

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