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FT $26 Assuming limp is weak but I really have no read on utg. Two players to my left are stationy though – gd chance one of them will flat to see a flop with a wide range. Iso?
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t40.00/t80.00 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
MP1: t3925.00 49.06 BBs
Hero (MP2): t3965.00 49.56 BBs
CO: t10000.00 125 BBs
BTN: t1320.00 16.50 BBs
SB: t2525.00 31.56 BBs
BB: t6770.00 84.62 BBs
UTG: t2180.00 27.25 BBs
UTG+1: t3265.00 40.81 BBs
UTG+2: t2700.00 33.75 BBs
Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is MP2 with T
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UTG calls t80, 3 folds, Hero….
June 22, 2010
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Honestly, I do not like a raise here OOP. You have some big stacks after you to act, if someone 3-bets you it would become spew. JTs pays well post flop. Limp or fold IMO.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
July 3, 2010
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I'd limp behind since it's so early in the tournament. I'd ISO in this same spot if it was later on with antes.
IMO Raise>Folding>Limping
I would raise here to try and isolate the limper since I'm in the highjack position, maybe take the pot down pre. I can still get away if someone behind me 4bets.
Perfer folding to limping though.
But I'm the new guy here, so what do I know
July 3, 2010
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Folding is pretty bad. It's by far the worst option here.
Limping is best because if you're going to ISO and fold to a 4 bet because you've just turned a hand that flops great into a total bluff and that's also pretty terrible.
Open limping is bad… limping behind isn't.
Would you ISO with 55 or 66?
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Does it flop great oop heads up, though?
June 22, 2010
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mmfitter said:
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Does it flop great oop heads up, though?
It can, you are playing this as a speculative hand because it can flop a monster that can be disguised. You will not flop one all the time that is why you want to see the flop for cheap OOP, but when you do you can expect to get paid off, whch makes this hand profitable in the long run if correctly played.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
I would have cold called 3x bet here oop, so I have no problem with raising after a limp, nor can I find fault with limp behind…just think it screams weakness to those behind me. A raise here preflop, and now I'm the aggressor and can either represent A or K high flop stronger or if I hit gin, I can play post flop to maximum value.
I can see the argument for limp behind, but I would be prepared to call a pretty good raise (3x+1per limper maybe??) behind me at the same time, especially from the bigger stacks. If I'm prepared to do that, why not take the initiative and be first to raise?
July 3, 2010
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If you raise and get re-raised are you calling that, too?
If you raise to 300 and get re-raised to 800-900 are you calling that?
What if UTG limp/reraises you?
I'm still not seeing the argument for ISO raising here.
The point of speculative hands early is to try to see flops as cheaply as possible and extract value and bloat the pot post-flop so I don't understand why we'd want to do otherwise.
Limp behind way to early to iso….you said 2 stations to the left so raising here really is just bloating the pot!
imo you guys throw words like “bad” and “terrible” around a little too loosely.
iso-raising is not bad here, despite what happens behind. just because sometimes someone will wake up behind us and 3bet us and we fold doesn't make isolating bad. folding is probably the least of our options here, though.
i think limping behind and raising are probably both fine, but i think i'd just go to 300 and try to get it headsup with position.
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