first hand i see only a real small value for bettin meanwhile there are lots of draws that hit that will repop here…as well as better T's.  With 2 others going to the river on that sort of drawy board i'll just check behind.

i'm just not sure which worse hands are calling on the river….It's not the original raiser that worrys me in this hand it's the second player in the pot that I would be a little wary of.

why did u call the flop there?

Is the first hand part of a turbo $109? If so I think I try to get some value but it may be a bet fold IDK. Second hand you are just treating JJ as the same as small pair no worries on fold(though me my self prob could not fold it pre).

Hagbard Celine said:

1: as long as villains are the type that are never bluff-raising then i really like the bet and esp the size.

 

2: are we readless? if so then yeah i fold but would definitely call against some players.

 

@ aredale: jamming the JJ here even against a monkey is spew. we have to risk 5k to win ~1k in a spot where even fish will play near perfect against the shove.

I agree that the jam is a little bit of an overbet, but I \shove here for 2 reasons

1) in these lower buyin ss's (which i assume this is a $26) ….ppl will call very light even this early with ALOT of smaller pp's even AJ+ even though AJ is a little thin

hmmm

2) think i'll back off of my set mine comment…JJ is too strong of a hand to set mine with at this stage vs the monkeys u see…so maybe callin is the better line….i said shove because if we're gonna raise we're pot committing ourselves to his shove neway….i believe better than 2:1 on teh call if we make it say 1700 or so…and when this is the case..i just shove…but relooking at the hand….flatting may be a better choice…but if u raise this…i think a shove is best.

Problem 1:

as posted, solid play as long as villian is never bluff raising here. But dont think a chk behind is ever awful either as this board is trully scary and sb could of come along with any two. Would hate to get pushed off of best hand even tho in this spot ur sharing the wealth.

Problem 2:

confused! initially i think squeeze. definately think a call is in order in pos facing wt could very well be a “move” from a skilled reg. obv AA, KK, QQ makes this play but i think there are more hands in his range that he's making this play with as well to determine where his hand stands. i think its -ev here to narrow villians 3bet range just to the three hands that beat us. AK and AQ does this as well which we're a slight fav. i think ur skill enough to make this call with over a 100bb and continue without getting too out of line or crippling ur stack. ur in position. scenario, u make the call and more than two over cards hit and ur done with just under 100bb left. worst case scenario obv is u call and board comes all rags and u cant get away and he has one of the three over prs and ur hating life cause u called…. if villian was unknown and somewt nitty then i may be more incline to fold, but against a reg with 100+bb and in pos i think we can call here and evaluate from there.

bjizz