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is this stupid for early stages
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October 15, 2010 - 7:42 pm
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Poker Stars $10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t15/t30 Blinds – 9 players

The Grass (BTN): t5820 194 BBs

javirodal (SB): t6340 211.33 BBs

2coyote (BB): t16230 541 BBs

rayytangg (UTG): t6000 200 BBs

AUBNICOLE (UTG+1): t5400 180 BBs

spicyal (UTG+2): t3290 109.67 BBs

Fodicatans (MP1): t5970 199 BBs

Hero (MP2): t2615 87.17 BBs

saldanhacida (CO): t2160 72 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP2 with Q of diamonds Q of hearts

1 fold, AUBNICOLE raises to t90, spicyal calls t90, Fodicatans raises to t420, Hero raises to t1900, 4 folds, AUBNICOLE raises to t5400 all in, 1 fold, Fodicatans raises to t5970 all in, Hero calls t715 all in

Flop: (t13550) K of diamonds 4 of hearts 2 of clubs (3 players – 3 are all in)

Turn: (t13550) 8 of spades (3 players – 3 are all in)

River: (t13550) 8 of hearts (3 players – 3 are all in)

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The only case I could make for a fold pre is u have a ep raise then a reraise. Tough spot, shows alot of strength.  Just Jam instead of 4 bet there IMO.

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Hmm. I would probably flat Foticatans and hope the flop comes clean. If Aubnicole still jams I don't see folding but you could make a case for it.

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October 16, 2010 - 1:16 pm
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i think I just flat the original 3-bet and play a flop.

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October 16, 2010 - 7:46 pm
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Are you trying to make your hand look incredibly scary by making it 1900 on your stack of 2615? You can flat Fodicatans raise but if the other guy re-raises all in afterward I probably don't fold even if both get in because it's a $10 tournament and they could both have AK or AK vs. JJ vs. your QQ, or sometimes even much worse like AJ, 88, etc…

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October 16, 2010 - 8:40 pm
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Wein said:

i think I just flat the original 3-bet and play a flop.


More and more I am adopting this in early stages and it's been producing better results. I doubt this guy continues with anything less than like JJ+ and AQ/AQ so you're putting yourself into a flip spot almost 100% of the time early in an MTT when the goal should be to avoid those.

I agree with Weinaments and say to flat and then probably get it in on a flop that doesn't have an A or K. If you got coolered then oh well… gg him and move on. 

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FkCoolers said:

 I doubt this guy continues with anything less than like JJ+ and AQ/AQ so you're putting yourself into a flip spot almost 100% of the time early in an MTT when the goal should be to avoid those.
 

I agree with Weinaments and say to flat and then probably get it in on a flop that doesn't have an A or K. If you got coolered then oh well… gg him and move on. 


 

If we put opponents on JJ+ and AQ+, why we just not jam pre to get all this range in (if they want smile)?. JJ+ – 19 combos, AQ+ – 24 combos, more then 50% of time will be any A or K on the flop, so we dont get any more money from AQ+, which probably shut down after flop when missed. So most of their range will check/fold flop most of the time (i'm not sure that they are going to cbet into 2 people without hand).

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October 17, 2010 - 11:27 pm
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kinda like flat and possibly muck if original raiser spazzs

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Wein said:

i think I just flat the original 3-bet and play a flop.


 

my observation on the play is that we either fold pre or just shove. dont think we can ever flat here cause we're not ending all betting action. there has been a reraise so that gives the original raiser and caller a chance to act after our flat. i like a jam in this spot. we're still likely getting called and we're gonna have to fade some cards but I think we either get it in pre or just fold and I cant see folding in a 10$ tourny this early with QQ so I push and hope for the best.

 

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Ricmar never said, and if someone brought this up allready then I appologize, but I feel like this is a rebuy tournament. If so, then I just shove, because your probably getting called regardless.

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