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Is this a shove or a fold? FT 6 left

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November 12, 2012 - 9:53 pm

Hand#3144C233C8000132 – $3,000 GTD Turbo R&A T1

2727240 — TICKETCASH — $5 + $0.5 — 9 Max — Table 16 — 5000/25000/50000 NL Hold'em — 2012/11/12 – 18:43:40
Dealer: Seat 1
Seat 1: Trattoria420 (731,340 in chips)
Seat 4: cshepard1137 (473,580 in chips)
Seat 7: raiserhead (339,946 in chips)
Seat 8: bostttt (368,974 in chips)
Seat 9: thedankage1 (383,002 in chips)
Seat 10: duffus321 (551,658 in chips)
Trattoria420: posts ante of 5,000
cshepard1137: posts ante of 5,000
raiserhead: posts ante of 5,000
bostttt: posts ante of 5,000
thedankage1: posts ante of 5,000
duffus321: posts ante of 5,000
cshepard1137: posts small blind 25,000
raiserhead: posts big blind 50,000
Dealt to bostttt [Qd,Ts]
bostttt: is all in 363,974
thedankage1: folds
duffus321: is all in 546,658
Trattoria420: folds
cshepard1137: folds
raiserhead: folds
duffus321: returns uncalled bet 182,684

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November 13, 2012 - 1:19 am

Pretty close IMO and depends a bit of course on what the table has been playing like. I dont hate a shove. suited i think i for sure shove, so it really cant be that bad.

I'd plug it in to nash and see what it looks like.

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November 13, 2012 - 3:18 am

im unsure also, nash it and post please

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November 13, 2012 - 9:37 am

on the first sight i would have said its a close shove, but nash says:

22+ A2s+ A7o+ A5o K7s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s 87s

.....gspot.com/

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November 13, 2012 - 10:05 am

Did you include the exact playjumps of the ft when you entered it into nash? It is probably a +cEV shove, but I wonder how much payjumps change our shoving range.

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November 13, 2012 - 10:46 am

Yah that spot is pretty close. It’s a turbo and you are lookin to get in soon but I thInk I could find a fold button given the other equal stacks at the table. This more comes down to table dynamics and how the final table has been playing. If I’m having trouble finding a good spot I make take this but I think you can still wait for a spot in the next few hands that is a bit better. I’m shoving a lot wider in late position here.

Welcome to TPE bosttt. We play a lot together on lock. I’d love to talk poker anytime ht me up bro.

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November 13, 2012 - 2:17 pm

To include more information, the table was playing pretty much fit or fold, I had also gone into the FT 2nd in chips and did not play a single hand until we got 6 handed, I remember by that point I was 6/6 in chips, I had also shoved the hand right before the one posted from UTG+1 with J10o on 268,969 (5.3 BBs) as soon as we got 6 handed, I kind of felt in a way my shove would look stronger considering I had just shoved the hand before and I don't expect the other players to think im shoving light twice in a row and from UTG.

I also ran it in the Nash Calculator but I didn't change the “Structure” so I would assume payjump differences are not calculated in this range.

UTG

368974

21.9%

13.69%

14.00%

+0.314%

According to Nash, I should be shoving 21.9 % of my range here according to a (0.5, 0.3, 0.2) structure

That would include A8o-A3s – K10o-K7s – Q10o-Q9s – J10o-J9s, 109s and 66-AA.

Looking at the hand now, I definitely could have folded and possibly moved up a couple payjumps but I also believe the blinds were about to go up to 30k/60k/6kante and that may have played into my decision but for the most part, I felt like I would rather shove Q10o 6 handed instead of folding and letting the blinds go through me and losing 85k through the blinds if they dont go up during that time and considering I don't get a hand in the blinds obviously.

I would love to know if my Nash calculations are correct and also if someone could assist in putting it into Nash again with appropriate payjumps to see how it changes shoving ranges.

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November 13, 2012 - 2:23 pm

Hey whats up Chuck, I've definitely seen you at my tables before.

Hit me up on skype if you have it, would love to talk hands or just poker in general.

Alexander.bost on skype

See you on the tables, glgl!

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November 13, 2012 - 3:15 pm

Kill Everyone shove tables list this as a close fold. However, they do list as a caveat, that it is close fold if players are playing an equilibrium strategy, which most players do not. Most player call tighter than the equilibrium solution and therefore, the shoving ranges can be loosened due to the increased FE you get from other players.

Either way, this seems to be a close spot either way, so either option is probably reasonable. However, if the play is too nitty, shoving becomes more correct.

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November 13, 2012 - 10:01 pm

Fold

QTs is fine here. Personally, I'd prefer jaming ATC from SB/LP > Qx from EP.
Put 5-7hrs into working with a nash calculator and tinker with the stack sizes/blinds/payouts. This will help you get a feel for these spots.

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November 13, 2012 - 11:25 pm

Thanks for all the feedback everyone

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