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October 21, 2013
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both players in the hand are regs, on the river my bluff target is: Jx,trips, straight and even a flush; basically but a full house…did i pick a good spot and was simply unlucky to find him at high end of his range or is this something i shouldnt be doing ?
October 21, 2013
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so after talking with a more accomplished player he basically told me he doesnt like he check raise on he river because we have “a good bluffcatcher here” but i dont actually agree at all with this statment…what do you guys think ?
September 14, 2014
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I'm pretty sure that trying to make a hand like trips or a flush is ambitious, so ya fold river for sure.
October 21, 2013
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“making him fold trips/flush is too ambitiuos” lol…WHY IS THAT ? i was expecting range a discussion, who is capped who is not, who's repping what etcetc not this crap of being too ambitious…
I AM AMBITIOUS, i ve always thought you HAVE TO try out new things, get out of your little comfort zone, daring to do what others are not (yet) doing, pushing the limits…and in order to do that im not afraid to lose some silly hand as long as my tp is correct and my analysis/interpretation about ranges are correct…
January 10, 2015
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Wondering why no 3B pre?
As far as the river bluff, seems like the bet is too small to get him off of anything. It's 3655 more with 11.7k in the middle.
October 21, 2013
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Jimmy2tymz said:
Wondering why no 3B pre?
As far as the river bluff, seems like the bet is too small to get him off of anything. It's 3655 more with 11.7k in the middle.
Good question and good observation…Yeah i def agree i made a sizing mistake otr and i should have made it 8K at least on the river…
Pre flop the reason that make me prefer flatting are:
-great odds
-OR flatting range may contain hands that dominates me and very few ( almost none actually) hands that i dominate
-we are decently deep
– vs a 4bet i'm forced to fold a hand that can flop/play decently post in a multiway pot
– I think i can play decently post flop
– playing pre flop it's easier and i think they are gonna make more mistake post rather than pre
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December 6, 2012
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I do like the mindset of wanting to try new things and not being afraid to look silly. Remember, though, that part of the bluffing process I suggest is the “Gut Check” where you ask yourself whether your goal is realistic. I think trying to get someone to lay down trips when he's getting 4:1 and you're representing very little yourself is, in fact, too ambitious.
I probably just wouldn't take this line at all, but if you are going to c/r river, I think you have to shove.
Calling seems best preflop.
January 10, 2015
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I agree that OR's range is stronger, but you have position on him. The button flat is pretty wide, I think a 3B to get heads up with UTG is what we're trying to do.
October 21, 2013
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Foucault said:
I do like the mindset of wanting to try new things and not being afraid to look silly. Remember, though, that part of the bluffing process I suggest is the “Gut Check” where you ask yourself whether your goal is realistic. I think trying to get someone to lay down trips when he's getting 4:1 and you're representing very little yourself is, in fact, too ambitious.
I probably just wouldn't take this line at all, but if you are going to c/r river, I think you have to shove.
Calling seems best preflop.
Andrew do you agree with Pedro that we have a good bnluff catcher here ? he said villain can have a lot of pp and A high here that we beat but im dont actually agree with that, i think he very rarely has a bluff here.
So my thinking here was: that actually when villain 4 checks back, he doesnt have a Kx here at all (other than KJ) i mean with that type of board why check back KT KQ KJ ??
On the other hand WE could very well have a Kx here (both KJ KT) and would we play 44 KT KJ this way ??
September 14, 2014
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Yeah this is a great spot to 3-bet pre imo , i think the likely hood of you being 4-bet is very slim given that the intial raiser has over 50bb behind. If u had reads that he 4-bets a ton then yeah flatting seems best.
going back to op given that he's bet into 2 players it kinda makes it more unlikely he's bluffing , i also dont think given how the hand has played out that v is bluffing. I agree that v kinda capped their range on the turn though , if he had trips he would want to bet it , but there's still boats in his range though.
when u c/r river it seems unlikely you have a boat , i reckon you would probably raise a hand like 44 otf to get value from kx and draws , also a hand like JJ/AK would of been 3-bet pre. only hand that seems likely is KJ/KT when u c/r river.
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December 6, 2012
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I don’t think there’s much value in calling river, I’d just fold. Really I don’t think you should have a check-raising range here. Very often the action will check around, which is why you shouldn’t try to check-raise monsters or bluff-catch or check-raise bluff. People just aren’t going to bet this river much in general.
I don’t see the case for 3-betting preflop at all. All I’ve heard so far is “we have position” and “he’s not too likely to 4bet” but neither of those explains where the value in 3betting comes from. What does a 3-bet accomplish?
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