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August 17, 2016
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Hello again TPE, now usually on these fourms I sick people in super sick spots themselves, but I don’t see many people asking about bluffs they’ve run so I’m curious as to what you’d think about this.
So I’m playing in the Mini Fast Friday $11 buy in, I’m about 48bb deep and my stack is like 10 bb below average.
The blinds are 250/125/25 I am in the SB
Action folds to the lojack who is about 70bb deep, he raises to 540
Folds to me with A
K and I raise it to 1730, I feel this sizing is fine, maybe I could have gone smaller as if I get called I am playing out of position, but I feel that’s a minor.
BB folds and villain calls, I feel like a rough range for him at this point is 66-TT(maybe JJ), ATs-AQs, AJo-AQo (maybe AKo) KQs (KQo maybe) and maybe JTs and QJs. So I feel like when he calls usually I’m like crushing his range.
So heads up to the flop there is 16bb in the middle I have 42bb behind which is the effective stack.
Flop comes TT
7, so I have two overs and the nut flush draw. Action is on me, I feel like it’s criminal not to C-bet here, were just so far ahead of his range anyway, he probably whiffed as well, usually I can safely take it down right here. I C-bet 1700, on the small side to encourage worse to continue, like 88, 99 I doubt 66 can call but you never know. Now I know that technically 88 and 99 are not behind but when I fire a second barrel on the turn they’ll almost always fold, and right here I am planning on firing a second barrel on almost any turn.
Villain calls the C-bet so now I feel he might have 88 or 99, as I feel JT and AT and JJ (if it’s even in his range) would re-raise me.
Turn is the Q
, good card for me I also pick up a gutshot and more ways to scare the sticky middle pairs, I think for a moment there is 7335 in the pot and I have about 8.8k behind, I feel like and overbet shove will get him off anything other than slowplayed T or 77 or JJ (if its in his range) I don’t feel like middle pairs can feel comfortable about calling. So I shove he tanks and call and turns up with A
Q.
I really didn’t think this would be in his range, however thinking back, I did size the flop bet small, so that gave him some leadway to call with naked overs.
Thinking back over the hand I feel like the bluff is okay, however for some reason it left a bad taste in my mouth so I was wondering what you guys think, is this super spewy, or is this a bog standard play?
Much love, llinoscarpe
June 2, 2013
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I 3bet smaller pre flop, 5 ~ 6bb; As played I would cbet about 2k and have about a PSB OTT to shove all in. There is some Tx on V´s range, but you can make V to fold some small PP, also you have a flush draw with over probably.
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December 6, 2012
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Your line is fine, but I do see a few flaws in your reasoning. I think your options on the flop are either check or bet intending to shove turn, in order to put pressure on medium pairs. Which of those lines is best depends on how likely you think Villain is to fold the 66 – TT part of his range. Where I think you go wrong:
1. You should know your plan before you bet flop. You shouldn’t just bet flop and then be like “well crap he called now what?”. Probably if you plan it out from the flop you’ll realize that you should bet a bit larger in order to set up a pot-sized turn shove.
2. You say, “he probably whiffed as well, usually I can safely take it down right here”, but if he whiffed, “taking it down” doesn’t really do much for you. In all likelihood, you have him dead to 3 outs. This is why you need to choose either to run a big bluff to go after his pairs or to try to take your showdown value and maybe bluff-catch on later streets. The worst choice would be to bet once and then give up, as this would probably just result in you getting called by hands you’re behind and folding out the hands you’re beating.
3. Pre-flop sizing is fine. If anything being out of position is a reason to size larger, not smaller (not larger than you did, I just mean being OOP isn’t a reason to size down your raise). When you have position, you need to offer your opponent slightly better odds on a call, because he will be able to realize less equity. When OOP, he will realize more equity, so you need to give him worse odds.
February 20, 2015
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Agree with Andrew on the preflop sizing. Agree with almo about the cbet size. As played, does it make more sense to check-shove the turn so you aren’t overbetting the pot?
May 1, 2016
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I think the 3bet size preflop is perfect. I usually like to err on the slightly bigger than 3x the raise size for being OOP and slightly less than 3x for IP no matter what my two cards are, so the raise is perfect. Once I see the flop, I’m planning on getting my whole stack in as soon as possible. In a worse case scenario, it’s actually better to get your whole stack in with no fold equity and a monster draw like this, than to wait until the turn or river and attempt to bluff with a little fold equity. With that in mind, with about 4k in the pot and a little over 10k behind I’ll be betting larger on the flop attempting to shove pot on the turn. So I think my flop bet will be about 3k, and a shove of 7k on the turn.
I don’t disagree with your line, I just think betting more on the flop if youre going to shove turn anyway is better, seeing as it looks stronger, and will get him off the hands that it matters for. This line of betting more on the flop and shoving turn will allow him to fold his middling pairs sometimes, and thats all you need. With weaker hands, he has very little equity anyway, and with a 10 he’s getting all the money in anyway, so it makes sense to me to target the hands where your line will actually make a difference aka. 22-99
FWIW I think your preflop range is too tight. I’ve seen so many players in the fast friday tournaments show up with 33 and 98 here, I don’t give much credit to a flatted 3bet IP. It’s one of my leaks, but after a LAG has raised, I don’t see them folding much to a 3bet IP no matter what.
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