i think you can raise fold pre and still leave yourself 15bb if you dont like jamming it and wanted a lower variance root, raise folding spots like this wuold also leave you open to induce here with bigger hands instead of jus shipping them in every time and also only getting called by decent hands

i am a fan of giving people a chance to spazz……that said i am prob 3ing here with the intention of calling off but i think for lower variance you can def raise fold and leave your self 15+bb

duggs said:

way too short to viably raise/fold, plus we have a value hand and fold equity. i shove this 100% of time.

if you wanted you could flat and check/shove all flops i guess im cool with that, but shoving pre he prob stacks off with QJ J10 etc, and if he isnt then we take it down enough to profitably do this wider

lol we have over 20bb we can def raise fold, althought i wouldnt do it i am saying you can…..and he is never calling off or should never be calling off JQ and TJ here, if you are i think you should probably rethink your stacking ranges

what are blinds? assumed they were at 35 due to open raise sizing? 

at a second glance they look like they are at 15/30? still hate raise folding that effective stack, button has 21bb and bb has 9bb. 

what is your raise/folding range into those stack sizes from button then?

and what is your raise/call range?

unless we know blinds are super nitty raise/folding JQ seems bad

I also assume villain is bad when they dont min raise at this stack depth

so you are open folding A2-A7 K7-9? 78, 79 910 J10 J9? Q9? 

few things to discuss

A) raise/folding is fine is blinds are nitty and arent 3bet shovey,

B) 3bet shoving super wide is fine if button steals too much.

C) raise/calling QJ is fine given blind is agg and competent, which since poster is on TPE we assume he is.

D) bad players stack of lol wide and lol tight in spots, its all villain dependent so reads are important.

E)We dont have to even be ahead of his range to raise/call given pot odds

so you are open folding A2-A7 K7-9? 78, 79 910 J10 J9? Q9?

prob open shipping lots of these with my pairs…busy atm will post longer response later

still tihnk raise calling QJ is terrrrrrrrible

Skurtram said:

Thanx for the posts guys. I think everybody agrees that shipping is standard but you could sometimes find a fancy fold. I personally think you often have tremendous fold equity in these spots. The villan is like 3-4 in chips and have a chance of winning 7k in a 11$ tourney, they are often raise folding 15-20 bb here in a turbo i think. I think his 18bb call with AJo  is questionable money wise when avg is like is like 12bb, agree? I didn´t have stats on the guy, he just sat down at my table.

…Im currently 2 of 924 in the same tourney today gogogo

AJo call here is standard as your shove too. I mean minraising here is only to induce you or the big blind to shove, otherwise he could just jam the AJo as he should never be raise folding this hand in this spot.

This hand seems very standard. Never doing anything but jamming KQ here in a turbo. His AJ call is fine IMO.