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I've had no history with villain BvsB who is running 21/21 over 14 hands. Should I 3bet pre and fold to a 4bet? Should I bet the flop? Should I raise the turn? I wanted to keep the pot small on the turn, which is why I only called. For him to raise pf then check that flop then bet the K I'm thinking I'm either way ahead (air, A high, draw) or way behind (vs AK, KJ). Thinking about it now there are probably more hands that I am ahead of here so I think I should raise, but not sure. When he leads on the river I have to call again, right?
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
UTG+1: BB = 20.4, t12231
UTG+2: BB = 19.5, t11715
MP1: BB = 87.7, t52598
MP2: BB = 15.5, t9316
CO: BB = 20.7, t12427
BTN: BB = 30.0, t17974
SB: BB = 32.6, t19590
Hero (BB): BB = 47.1, t28256
UTG: BB = 7.3, t4395
Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is BB with K
Q
7 folds, SB raises to t1800, Hero calls t1200
Flop: (t4050) J
5 6
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t4050) K
(2 players)
SB bets t2600, Hero calls t2600
River: (t9250) 3 (2 players)
SB bets t5400, Hero ???
As played I think we have to call the river, we have showed no strength in this hand and we are ahead of a lot of hands he could be betting with. You said he was 21/21 over 14 hands so he is pretty aggressive when he decides to play. You could have probably raised him pre but I dont hate the flat in position either.
July 3, 2010
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I'm calling the river 100% as played and get pissed the times he turns over K5 or K6.
Why don´t you bet the flop?
As played, it's fine. You can never fold here ofcourse 🙂
I think you played the hand well, on the river i think it is a pretty easy call the 3 changes pretty much nothing so if you are calling the turn u definately have to call when the offsuit 3 drops on the river. If he has you beat thats unlucky but dont think u can ever fold the river.
mistergj said:
SittingDucks… why are we betting the flop?
Id like to know too, since Hero called pre in position…?
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July 20, 2010
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i would have 3 bet pre, c bet the flop,double barrel when i spiked the turn and then when he checks the river i click time and read bigdogs value vs showdown value article.i like 3 bet pre here cause the stacks are right and KQ suited in the bb in a bvsb siuation is a very strong hand and flops very well if he flats your 3 bet so villain may fold and you take it down pre. if you get flatted hes most likely checking the flop and i really like c betting this flop because 1. i like to keep pressure on at this stage of tourneys and 2. 3 betting pre almost commits you to a 3 bet, so if your c bet gets check raised then auto release the hand but if he calls and the turn is the king i love the double barrel on the likelyhood villain was just floating to fire the river on your check of the turn but the best part is you have position and the strength you show playing the hand like this he almost has to check the river to you. if villain check raises the turn it looks like AK or AA,KK or a set. if you cant narrow the range in this spot just know that villains in 1st act position have to check raise the turn if they intend to lead the river so when they check call the turn it looks like im up against a drawing type hand and the turn brings multiple draws to the situation so with that riv and a check from villain you now have options. but i think your good here??? check out bigdogs article on value vs showdown value it will help you understand your situation on the riv
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March 17, 2010
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I’d bet the flop. He misses most of the time and just gives up. Your hand has no draws so you can’t expect to incrrase your equity on subsequent streets so I think betting here maximizes your equity.
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March 17, 2010
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oh and def call the river….you are ahead of his range for sure given your line
mistergj said:
SittingDucks… why are we betting the flop?
Betting the flop:
– Our hand has little showdown value. Trying to bring this hand to the river is not +EV. Even when we want to showdown with our K high, villain can hit or may have just Ace high
– Villain checks to us. In 90% this is weakness and will fold on a bet
– A flopbet can be a nice base for a turnbet. He may wanna call the flopbet with Ace high, but he wil def have to fold this on the turn
My question to all who asked me why I cbet here, I ask you the question: What is your plan if you are not going to cbet this flop?
Thanks for replying about our equity in the hand – think I understand why we're betting the flop now, although we flatted preflop so we can't 'cbet' here can we? Are you suggesting we reraise pre and then cbet this flop?
mistergj said:
Thanks for replying about our equity in the hand – think I understand why we're betting the flop now, although we flatted preflop so we can't 'cbet' here can we? Are you suggesting we reraise pre and then cbet this flop?
3betting is quite bad:
– We have an excellent hand for flopping both big draws or solid (top) pairs.
– We dominate almost all Qx and Kx combos who are most likely to stack off sb/bb with 30bb when they hit top pair.
– We have position and can control the pot however we like it.
When I decide to 3-bet I really want to have cards like A2os which flops and ace seldom and is often dominated when you stack off.
When you think about it, KQos dominates much more hands and which pair you hit (K or Q), it's almost everytime top pair.
A 3bet is very bad actually, as this hand has lots of postflop equity and the hand plays quite easy.
And ofcourse you can cbet at this flop. Why not? If you had a hand like AT (which I'd probably cbet too) it would make more sense to showdown the hand, as you dominate lots of ace highs he has and A high at itself is often best.
My question is really referring to the fact that we didn't raise preflop therefore we can't continuation-bet since we didn't bet in the previous round. That's where I was confused as what you're suggesting isn't a cbet it's just a bet!
mistergj said:
My question is really referring to the fact that we didn't raise preflop therefore we can't continuation-bet since we didn't bet in the previous round. That's where I was confused as what you're suggesting isn't a cbet it's just a bet!
Ah I see what you mean, but I think it's clear now, isn't it? 🙂
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March 17, 2010
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Good thread and nice post ducks. Agree 100% with rationale for a flat pre and a bet on flop. Yeah, its not technically a c-bet but the best move here. You pick this pot up nost of the time and rarely improve on turns while giving opponent the chance to.
nh. call river.
you could 3b PF, but you also have a hand that plays really well postflop and position, so i prefer calling. we keep worse Kx and Qx and worse XXss in his range which is great for us.
flop, checking is fine as we do have some showdown value, although taking a stab here when he checks is perfectly fine too. it's not like we have a backdoor flushdraw to go with the backdoor straightdraw, so it's no tragedy to bet/fold the flop.
turn, call. what do you accomplish by raising? making him fold all his air with which he can continue to rep the K? maybe even make him fold some worse Kx that might bet the river or at least check and call a bet?
river, call. i don't think it's all that close, either. we're getting a great price and he can be betting plenty of worse hands for value not to mention the fact that he can be bluffing.
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