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Is there a strategy for dealing with the flush chasers in NLHE?
FabulousTexan
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January 16, 2011 - 7:00 pm
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Without turning this into a bad beat thread this is the thing about poker that I don't understand.

Flushes are so valuable because they're difficult to hit.

Yet people hit them all the time.

Raise up 3x… get a call from middle position. Hit a set, or top-top make a pot size bet with two suited on the board, get a call. Turn's a blank, bet big again, get another call where you're pot commited, and he gets there on the river.

Repeat over and over and over…

I never know anymore if I should bet more so the chasers pay me if they don't get there. Or do I slow down so I don't get killed when the chaser hits.

I know, I know… you want them to get the money in bad. You want them to chase….

But why do they always seem to freaking get there? It sure seems a lot more than 1-out-of 3 or 1-out-of-4.

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January 16, 2011 - 8:11 pm
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bet for value?  Don't think of a flush draw as a draw, think of it as equity.  On the flop you have 70% equity and your opponent has 30%, so you bet and he calls, why wouldn't you bet?  You bet turn because you have around 85% equity, so again you are betting for value because your opponent has 15% equity.

I don't think I am explaining this clearly, let me give it one more shot.

Lets say you raise pre, get called, cbet and get raised on a 3c4c9d flop and you are holding ThTd.  If you know villain only does this with FD and sets what is the play?  The correct play is to fold. Why?  Because his reasonable FDs all have at least 40% equity against you, and his sets have you crushed.  Some of his FDs are slight favorites to your hand.  So if you think of it in terms of black and white, a pair beats a flush draw etc… you will get mad everytime someone makes a flush on you (I def am not happy lol), but if you think about a flush draw as a hand that makes up a range that has x amount of equity against your range, I think first it will probably help your game, and second will help you take the “beats”. 

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January 16, 2011 - 10:42 pm
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I live in Georgia. The only live poker around here other than going to Florida or other places that have casinos is at the local cash games or local bar tourneys. If there is a raise pre flop you can forget your 3x or 4x raise. It does not get the job done. Sometimes 5x to 7x raises pre will get you 5 or more callers. If they have two suited cards they are going to the death with any flush draws that hit. Short of heart attack or someone jacking the game there is no way to get them to fold. It does not matter if the board is double paired they wish to see the river. So make them pay and have position on them hopefully. All I got.

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