do you understand how it works ? it sounds easy eh,, you raise, and go all in regardless whereas if you went all in and they called and made their suck out flop or turn.

but you have to have the right opponent one who won’t say well i only got 400 more to call so how can i fold. , and when do you use it ?

there is an example in winning poker tournaments one hand at a time where the author limped and then went all in the flop , the limp and go, a variation of the stop and go.

in a sit and go once i was in the big blind and either called a minraise or check around between me and this other person on the bubble stt,  i went all on the flop  not having anything and the person immediatly typed a swore ,, thought about it a bit and then folded, if it was check to me,, it was a check and go.

but the most common is you put the person on a ace king , or marginal holding from late position, you call the raise,  you go all in regardless hoping that the person lays down ace king, or if the board was king jack queen and you went all in regardless you hoping that the person raised from late position with a king four, or pocket eights and no way they can continue on that board.

there is an example in poker touranment formula 2 where he says if you go all in preflop you are giving the person 5 free cards to beat you but if you wait til the flop to do it,, you are giving only 2 free cards as he already seen the first 3 and can fold marginal holdings.

so basically the criteria is

1. just enough stack to if you call a raise or limp and push all in heads up the person will be very uncomfortable calling .

2. opponent is able to lay it down, hence just enough stack to hurt him,  or he is tight on the flop

3. you know the blinds and antes are coming around so it is a reverse variation of going all in preflop but a flop play

i saw an early version of this ,, a person would bet the flop,, or get a min raise into them and they would go all in for a massive 5000 bet into 1000 in the deep stack daily dollar and he got called with two pairs and he had the set of dueces.

i took him twice with my set of tens, and my queens but he still was able to get 17000, and i only 12000 chips (double up twice on him then they moved me to a differnt table ) .

it is kind of the biggest online winner in the phil gordon book, if the person had a straight, flush draw, two pairr, all in, so you donn’t know if he has set, two pair, just a draw and it lead to incredible variance but also very hard to play agian.

i don’t know how it worked after ,, then two more people starting doing it and then before i was called the second time,, every time i was agianst him (and i had a good hand i went all in on the flop and he would fold,, it must tilted him a bit for when i doubled up with queens he had ace jack on a jack 3 3 board).

so the variation of the stop and go also works on the early stages, in cash games, but it also lead to huge variance. so it can break your mtt roll if you misuse it , and i only seen it in action tonight.

back to the stop and go,, it can be useful, in the right stituations,  you wouldnt’ be able to do it in early position unless you limped, called a raise and went all in on the flop regardless.

that is why it is the stop and go,, it isnt’ the stop and walk across the street aka you like the flop,, you go all in regardless of what flop.

in the flop examples i gave you,, it was “i got the nuts come on let play , all in . “

agreed with the guy above me good old ron

ok so the idea i am getting is that with the call we the hero should know they are commited and they are going to shove any flop..

and we call regarldess of texture. 

what if the person is tight as hell (and that is why he waited so long ) and the board comes all broadway?.

the idea I have to incorporate this would be use it a bb or 2 before we figure he is calling because he is pot commited, so about 14 bbs to 15 bbs,, or at 11 m with being 100 plus .

so we can’t call because we figure he is commited but he must have a hand,, meanwhile the stop and goer is praying like hell please dont’ call me.

would that work ?

it is in the mtt strategy forum 🙂