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September 13, 2014
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Hi TPE Members,
Today was a rather strange day on Pokerstars. I ended up loosing 10 out of 10 all-in showdowns, in each case my opponent made trips.
Eg. I had AA and lost to 52 when the other player made trip 5’s on the river.
I’ve never experienced hands like AA/KK/QQ/AK loosing to trips 100% of the time. I understand its not a large sample size and I’m not that upset, just curious how it could happen over and over again. My last all-in today I had AA and my opponent had J4, the flop came J82 and the river hit another J. By this point in the day I was starting to wonder if something was up.
Later in the day I ended up on a forum where someone said PokerStars is rigged and went on to explain a very similar circumstance to my own.
It seams very bizarre how lopsided the board ran. Can anyone provide some thoughts on the issue.
Thanks,
October 6, 2010
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tell me why pokerstars would have a reason to rig the deck against you and not anyone else?
what do you think the odds are of that happening? say 1 in a million?
i could work out the actual odds, but it isnt relevant for my argument.
if the odds are 1 in a million, and these hands were over say a 100 hand period, say 1 hours worth of play, that means this will happen to you roughly 1 in 10000 hour long sessions
make sense?
now, at peak times, there are at least 100,000 players playing on pokerstars. therefore, in any given hour, there are 10 players EVERY HOUR having a 1 in a million run of luck like you have mentioned!
my maths is a bit hand-wavy, but my point is that there are a LOT of hands being dealt every hour.
there is also significant confirmation bias in that you are much more likely to remember your bustout hands and losing hands than your winning hands. which means if you are the one that WINS with trips 10 times in a row you are probably unlikely to remember this.
hope that helps. pokerstars, or any of the other sites, are most definitely not rigged in that way. things like superusers are another matter, but they also dont happen on stars.
September 13, 2014
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Thanks you for the reply and please understand that I dont have an opinion either way. I'm a new poker player and found it odd that I busted out to trips 10 out of 10 all-in showdowns in one day. Wasn't sure if that fit within outcome odds.
I'm also shocked at the number of people online that think Pokerstars is rigged, personally I haven't played long enough to come to any concusion. The stories and reasons why some people think Stars is rigged can be very convincing.
Oh well, no worries. This is just a hobby for me and the money is not an issue. I'm not a young guy with asperations of being a famous poker player.
Best,
February 17, 2014
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Thinking that any site is rigged is the easiest way to get stuck in fishland. As bennymacca said, there’s no reason to think that is rigged just against you, why would it be?
Cards are cards and odds not always match up in the short term, play 10K tourneys and variance will pay off.
The reasoning behind “PS is rigged” is the same line of thought behind “nines are hot”, “I love pocket treys on X site, they always set” or “I never lose with pocket deuces”, Is just plain and simply WRONG and a waste of energy limiting you to think about factors of the game you CAN control (constructing ranges, bet sizing tells, reading the villains, etc).
One thing I dont like about Casey videos is that he says things like that often (I heard him say that he loves pocket nines on stars several times). To me is just a perception, you might get lucky one day and hit three sets of nines and from that day on you’ll consider them “hot”, but your memory wont hold all the times you saw a flop with those and did not hit (most of the times): if you play enough variance will put every hand into his place.
May 30, 2012
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As a serious PART-TIME player, I feel everything is rigged, both LIVE & ONLINE…….. lol……………… THEN, I realized I wasn't really that good.
Poker is tough and whoever plays professionally, I applaude you. I'm lucky to have a great career that allows me lots of time off to play at LIVE events & meet awesome people like Ttwist & BigDog ('07 at Harrah's AC WSOPC). There I started to understand that I was bad and needed help to get better.
Over the years, because of this site, friends like TTwist, Lee Childs, BigDog, KB and others……….. I have finally gotten to know varience over and over. VARIENCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
These sites aren't rigged, it's skill (bad & good) and varience in my mind. Sure, there are some horrific beats you take over and over. But that's all part of this game. The crazy stuff that happened to me on Partypoker/ Borgatapoker for their past GSSS series was unreal. Just take the beats no matter how crazy and reg for a few more.
Improve your game with every bustout and things will be fine over time.
The more you play, you'll win some and lose some. You'll put crazy beats on others and get some crazy beats. That's poker
January 29, 2014
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Well said Pierre. I've never really got the 'oh x site is rigged' arguement. If you believe that you shouldn't be playing, indeed if I believed that I wouldnt have money on the site
December 24, 2013
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AlPike said:
Well said Pierre. I've never really got the 'oh x site is rigged' arguement. If you believe that you shouldn't be playing, indeed if I believed that I wouldnt have money on the site
Exactly!
September 13, 2014
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Thank you all for the comments, helped put my mind at ease.
I remember watching a few videos on TPE where the player mentioned pocket 9's were great on Stars. I ended up loosing with the next three sets of pocket 9's later that week. I guess what works for one guy might not work for everyone.
Thanks again for the feedback, I really appreciate it.
May 30, 2012
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I had a great year playing LIVE last year and with the start of ONLINE poker this past Nov I thought I was going to be the BigDog / GBoro / Moorman of NJ…………. Guess what, I was ok in the beginning, but then VARIANCE smacked me in teh face. Oh, then I got punched playing LIVE this year. lol.
Poker can be heartbreaking. I'm said it before on this site and in a podcast. I'm a 42 yr.old Police Detective for a busy dept in NJ. My 20 yr career has afforded me my time to play as much as I do.
I hit a WALL in March for a few months both live & online. I went so far as to write about it in this forum and asked the poker gods for forgiveness for whatever it was causing my bad beats, bad calls, shocking outs…..ect I could only LOL and put it in the past.
Learning to take beats HAS to be done, if not, you'll break monitors or laptops. Yes, it's easier said then done, but with time and practice……. it will turn around.
I went back to basics when I was running bad. And eventually, I went back to cashing and winning and playing well.
Last thing I'll say……….. During last years WSOP FT livestream. Faraz Jaka was asked, how do you deal with bad beats / Tilting. He said something like I can only make hte best decision at that moment and let the cards speak. If I get it in with AA on the flop/turn and someone hits a 2 outer on me…. what can you do. As long as I make the proper decision.
I believe in that. All you can do is try to play your best and IF someone makes a bad decision and smacks you in the end. Move on and know that sooner or later, those beats will do your way at some point.
July 12, 2013
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No.
February 2, 2013
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Absolutely there is a chance that Pokerstars could be rigged. It is naive to think otherwise as there have been numerous cases of poker sites involved in cheating. So ye think it will never happen again? Google Ultimate Bet cheating.
Having said that, the chances of Pokerstars been rigged are almost zero. They are making so much money and have too much to lose.
If you get it into your head that you are been cheated, well then you have no chance. I have gone through this feeling of been cheated on a small poker site and to tell you the truth I still have my doubts. I have lost ten times as much money from my resulting tilt than what i think i might have lost from been cheated.
Ok there could be an employee of a poker site playing poker in work and he or she can see your hole cards.
There could even be a system to favour the big stacks over small stacks in tourneys so as to get the losing players to reg for another tourney.
I can not accept the blanket statements above that Pokerstars is not rigged. How do ye know for sure?
But there is good advise been given. Forget about it. Variance happens. that's poker.
November 4, 2013
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Live Poker is rigged. True Story.
Pokerstars isn't rigged. I can assure you that, while you had an atrocius run of luck, that's the game. I had a similar run of luck yesterday when I ran into AA with my KK, QQ, JJ, 99 and a funky BvB hand involving Q6s where I turned nut flush and he smashed the river. I also lost lots of flips all morning, and then won flips all afternoon.
Point here is that I have had LOTS of sessions like this. I've also had sessions where I smash every river, and can't lose no matter what I do.
Feeling that poker is rigged is just another way of not wanting to admit you might of made some mistakes, or that you just straight up ran bad. There is a reason that AA is only a max of 80ish % preflop. Keep in mind that the more players in pre, the less that becomes as well.
Keep grinding, the upswing will come.
February 2, 2013
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Good advice there One Time.
I agree with you 99.99999%. But it is worth having a look at ” absolute poker player “POTRIPPER”. It is unbelievable There is no harm in been aware of what has gone on in the past and to be viligant so that it will never happen again.
November 4, 2013
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I do apologize, I usually assume most people know about the Absolute Poker scandal. I guess people newer to the game wouldn't.
It will always be absolute possible that someone has a “super-user” account. Will a site like Stars be affected by something like this? I'd put the line at 0% and bet a lot of my net worth on it. These sites and companies are safe. Their RNG's used to determine hands are virtually unhackable. An interesting side note – Stars entire hands/board is determined at start of hand vs Full Tilt's being random selection at each event. Still, neither are “hackable” due to the encryption levels used.
Although, I've certainly had some days where I would swear they were, would of made it so much easier to explain the retardedness that happened.
August 28, 2014
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Don't assume you can know everything that's happening inside a computer if you can't see and don't have the ability to understand the code of the RNG Algorithm, nor of the hardware innards since machines are nowadays intercepted and cracked before delivery to the end-user.
Make no assumptions either as to the third parties supposedly responsible for evaluating the RNGs.
There are other things possible without even touching the RNG as well…
August 28, 2014
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smallcat66 said:
Having said that, the chances of Pokerstars been rigged are almost zero. They are making so much money and have too much to lose.
June 24, 2014
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it is. quit now.
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August 25, 2012
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PokerStars is not rigged. You just don't have enough understanding and experience of variance to recognise how absurd it can be.
There will always be people on forums who claim otherwise, just like there will always be people who claim the moon landing was fake. These people also lack the understanding to recognise variance.
Ask yourself – how would it possibly benefit PokerStars for you to lose those 10 all-ins in a row? What would they gain from rigging the site, that would be so beneficial it would outweigh the risk of having players quit and stop paying rake, or being discovered and put out of business?
It's absurd that these threads still exist in 2014. Please, guys, don't pay the conspiracy theorists any mind.
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