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mesoanarchy
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I’m sweating it out in the micro-stake MTTs folks.

I’m in a $1 buy-in (I know it’s a ridiculously paltry amount for most of you). I’m nitty at the beginning of the tourney – playing only top 15% call hands – and chipping up slowly to about 13,500 chips. I lose a hand at the 150/300/50 mark w/ ATo when I raise the villain behind me –  who is UTG+3 and has 4K chips – 3XBB to 900 pre; he had limped. The flop comes, it’s dry. He checks. I drop in a C-Bet, he calls. the flop adds a second diamond to the mix but my Ace is still the high card. He checks again. I check behind him. The river comes – Ace. He goes all-in w/ about 3200K chips. I call.

He turns over 22, which matches a flop card.

Am I the fool?

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So, same tourney. I go completely card dead for awhile and I’m starting to get eaten by the blinds and antes. Just in time AJhh shows up but I end up tying with some clown who calls w/ A4o. Two hans later I wake up with JJ. I shove and get called again and get back to 10K chips. I win another 3.7K hand and I’m back to where I was.

Then I get AJo. The villain UTG limps; (blinds 400/800/75 for 1875 in the pot). I raise to 900. He calls. There’s 3675 in. The flop comes 6 J 6. He checks. I C-bet to 2K. He calls. A 9 hits the turn – he checks and I bet 4.5K he calls.

The river comes – Ace. He snap bets all-in with about 1.5K fewer chips than me.

I look at the board and consider my options. I have 2 pair. He checked the flop and is now going all-in when the Ace hits. I also know he’s a grossly neg ROI player. I figure he’s holding AQ or AK. If he had AA he would have led in the first place, and even if he slow-played the aces he would be trying to squeeze all the money he could out of me figuring I don’t have an Ace; therefore he wouldn’t shove here.

So I settle on AQ-AK and call.

He turns over 56ss.

He called a 3XBB raise to 900 with a top 50% hand knowing I hadn’t played anything less than at top 15% hand (that I went to showdown with, that is).

Did I make an error in my read somewhere? Was this some great play on his part or did he luckbox into wonderland?

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This kind of play – and worse as I’ve lost all my chips w/ KK to a Q4o call at the 1.5k/3k/300 mark of a micro when a K and a Q were on the board, we’re all in and a 4 hits on the river – happens to me so effing often I’m about to just ————- puke. I am under the impression that if you play smart you’re supposed to dominate at the micro level and move up from there. I know I’ve only been playing five months, but I’ve already read every meaningful book out there and, as you can see, am a member here. I’ve final tabled 3 times at UB but have only reached 17th at Poker Stars (the Q4o hand tourney). The last tournament I was in, a $2, 1R, 1Add rebuy I finished 80th but was 2nd in chips just before the $$$$$$$ with 178 K chips. In the next 15 minutes I lost four hands where I got it in with the best hand and lost each time. 40 minutes later I had less than 60K chips. 30 minutes later I was done losing aces to a river flush.

Look, I don’t want this to be a bad beat cry-fest, but I must admit I’m getting frustrated. I play on tourney at a time because I want to devote all my attention to every hand I play (I tried multi-tabling with 3 tourneys and got dizzy – lol). I record my mistakes and yeah I make ’em. I watch for my leaks – and I bet the fellas who run this site would tell me I have so many little holes in my game the my ship be sinkin’. BUT. I do work at this game and want to be good. I’ve already played tournaments getting it in better than the villain every time and still have nada to show for it. In fact, tonight was one of those times – and I finished just in the loot at 250-something.

When I watch the vids I rarely see the spewy plays I deal with. When I watch the Sunday Millions final tables I never see this crap I see at my level. do I just need to keep plugging away, or what?

Maybe someone will enlighten me and justify the plays that coolered me tonight, so I can learn something….

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Thanks for this site, as I’m an MTT head, only. And thanks in advance for any replies.

-mesoanarchy

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July 2, 2010 - 12:57 am
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Ok first this appears to be your first post on the site so welcome.  Now your post is very detailed and it seems your trying hard to play well and work on your game all plus EV imo. I play buy-ins up to $20 and I will tell you that a lot of players play very poorily and even though variance kicks you in the nads sometimes you want them to continue playing this way because over the long haul they will be losing players. You should mix in some sngs to up your bank roll while continuing to take shots at MTTs. I personally usually fire up a 9man sng and a 27 along with a 45 or 90man sng and one regular MTT.  Its very tough weeding your way through a 1k field of bad players at the micro stakes that why I play the sngs to smooth the variance. Keep making the correct plays and over the long haul your roll will grow.  Post hands to discuss and discuss others hands to get your thought process out there for others that are more advanced to see and comment on.  Keep grinding it out, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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July 2, 2010 - 1:15 am
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Hi

 

hand 1 I’d play similarly if I understand the scenario right

hand 2 a very viable option if I understand stacks correctly is to just ship over the late position limper

(it would be much easier to reply if you could post the actual hand histories)

hand 3 I am not sure I understand

 

But the gist of your post is if these “bad” plays are exclusive to the micro stakes. Imho they are not, not at all. It’s a big part of your profit having these bad players at your tables and they are very much present at mid/high stakes too, probably constituting a smaller percentage of the field though. I can sympathize with how one-tabling these sort of beats may take their toll. Just to give you some perspective:

 

I normally start off my session 9-12 tabling and keep registering for the first two hours. So i have roughly 7-12 tables running for the first part of my session. On a VERY good day I’ll still have at best 3 tables running 5 hours into the session but usually only 2 or even 1. 

 

Welcome to the site – good choice imo, I am sure the pros will have a more coherent reply for you 🙂

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Hand 1 – just unlucky

Hand 2 – I think you must have blinds or your raise sizes wrong as you say you raised to 900 at 400/800. If we’re at 150/300 here which is what i suspect, you didn’t raise enough PF over the limper. As played I’d call the river for reasons stated, tHere are worse Js in his range.  However you did give him odds to call PF with his 56ss, you didn’t bet big enough to narrow his range to play the rest of the hand with more information.  This is definitely a small leak.

As for the rest of your post, I don’t want to minimize what you’re going through because I know how painful it is (trust me, i know!), however this is what tournament poker is like. Every successful player has these stretches, and even when you are winning, your big score is probably surrounded by tons of near misses.  The problem with microstakes is that the fields are giant and the play is quite bad which increases your ROI but also increases your variance greatly.  Over the long run you WILL win but none of us will really hit the true long run in poker.  From your post I can tell you’re light years ahead of your competition but even with that it takes a lot of tourneys to break through.  Some people get the lucky run early, some get it late.  You have a higher % chance of winning than most but nothing is guaranteed.

If you want to keep playing this game you have to adjust your mindset.  You have to play the stakes where you know you can endure a 200 buyin downswing.  Because it’s eventually going to happen and you have to just let it roll off your back.  I know you’re in the micros so you’re playing the right level, now you have to realize it just takes tons of tourneys before you have the breakthrough. And until you get there, there will be many nights like this.

Check this article I wrote for the site.  The title is just playful so don’t think I’m trying to say you’re whining.  But it sums up my thoughts on the poker mindset.

And for the record i’m on a 3 month awful downswing where I’ve been on the verge of throwing things at my computer.  It’s natural to get frustrated but you have to pick yourself up and keep moving.

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July 2, 2010 - 2:40 pm
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RonFezBuddy said:

Hand 1 – just unlucky

Hand 2 – I think you must have blinds or your raise sizes wrong as you say you raised to 900 at 400/800. If we’re at 150/300 here which is what i suspect, you didn’t raise enough PF over the limper. As played I’d call the river for reasons stated, tHere are worse Js in his range.  However you did give him odds to call PF with his 56ss, you didn’t bet big enough to narrow his range to play the rest of the hand with more information.  This is definitely a small leak.

As for the rest of your post, I don’t want to minimize what you’re going through because I know how painful it is (trust me, i know!), however this is what tournament poker is like. Every successful player has these stretches, and even when you are winning, your big score is probably surrounded by tons of near misses.  The problem with microstakes is that the fields are giant and the play is quite bad which increases your ROI but also increases your variance greatly.  Over the long run you WILL win but none of us will really hit the true long run in poker.  From your post I can tell you’re light years ahead of your competition but even with that it takes a lot of tourneys to break through.  Some people get the lucky run early, some get it late.  You have a higher % chance of winning than most but nothing is guaranteed.

If you want to keep playing this game you have to adjust your mindset.  You have to play the stakes where you know you can endure a 200 buyin downswing.  Because it’s eventually going to happen and you have to just let it roll off your back.  I know you’re in the micros so you’re playing the right level, now you have to realize it just takes tons of tourneys before you have the breakthrough. And until you get there, there will be many nights like this.

Check this article I wrote for the site.  The title is just playful so don’t think I’m trying to say you’re whining.  But it sums up my thoughts on the poker mindset.

And for the record i’m on a 3 month awful downswing where I’ve been on the verge of throwing things at my computer.  It’s natural to get frustrated but you have to pick yourself up and keep moving.


I think you must have blinds or your raise sizes wrong as you say you raised to 900 at 400/800. If we’re at 150/300 here which is what i suspect, you didn’t raise enough PF over the limper. As played I’d call the river for reasons stated, tHere are worse Js in his range.  However you did give him odds to call PF with his 56ss, you didn’t bet big enough to narrow his range to play the rest of the hand with more information.  This is definitely a small leak.

 

RonFez-

1: the blinds were 150/300/50(?) and I raised 3XBB to 900. Thanks for catching that.

2: I DID allow him – 56ss – to call… Shite! Thanks again. That is the kind of leak I need to have pointed out to me. I can feel that I have these gaps in my understanding, but I’m not sure where they are sometimes. Thank you so much.

3: Mental leak: “adjust your thinking.”

Yup. I do get despondent when I check a player’s OPR and I see his/her ROI at negative forever yet they have four or five wins and a couple of seconds and thirds yet I see them playing poorly. Part of my despondence comes from knowing that there had to be some spots where I could have added to my stack earlier and didn’t, so I didn’t have the chips to continue when I did finally lose a huge hand, part comes from getting donked on.

I got bounced by a dude who was 0/78(!!!) ITM but went on a 20 minute heater 2/3 through the tourney and won 7 of 10 hands he played – went from 2k chips and nearly out with the avg. chip count about 30K – to 219K! And went to showdown on all seven hands! He took me out hitting a gut shot Ten on the river to complete an 8-Q straight (holding J9o) vs. my set Jacks. I should have shoved on the flop but wanted his chips. I shoved when a scare card Queen hit on the turn. He took the, what, 8% or so chance to hit the gut shot on the river and won. That’s when I need to say oh well. Yeah I might have gotten a little greedy because I had a read on the guy, but I still did the right thing – move on.

Perhaps sometime, if it’s not a hassle, I can send you a hand history from one of my tourneys – I play on a MacBook Pro and use Poker CoPilot for my stats and stuff – and use can dissect my play and show me those leaks. 

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And to the commenters above RonFez, thanks for the advice. I do need to learn to multi-table. Between about 10 am and 2:40 there are a bunch of micros I can play. I NEED to learn to be able to play them all as they show because it will aid me greatly with variance. Right now I don’t go beyond three or four tourneys before cashing, but in the micros you gotta go deep if you want the cash to mean something.

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regarding the comment on sunday mill fts, ive seen tons of horribad play and suckouts.  one guy would repeatedly put half his stack in with marginal hands preflop and air postflop and then fold… and win 4th, somehow.  also seen a 22 shove into JJ and flop comes 2J2.

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