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January 21, 2013
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So this hand is from Day 2. It's very early on in the Day and i've just been moved table. To my left is Darren Rabinowitz and guy to his left seems some English guy in his 30's. Rabinowitz is an Americian pro who grinds live now. Not really following the table much and seems really busy on his Ipad. I had a bit of discussion with him and I would think he assumes i'm semi competent. I'm youngish, in a hoodie and wearing Beats. 
Both guys have me comfortably covered in the hand with Rabinowitz has 40k and English guy has 60k+. I start the hand with 19k which is 19bb @ 500/1000 and this is the first orbit at new table. I had known who Rabinowitz was by goggling him after checking out the seat draw.
So it's folded round to me. I have A
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What do we think our best line is here? I'm turn in between 3 things here. I could open folded and just wait to rip over a raise with a nice bit of fold equity. I could open for 2x and fold to any heat. Or I could just rip them in. This is a slow structure here and there is still a good bit of value in the field. e.g. My table for most of day 1, 5x was the standard open.
September 29, 2012
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I have two questions here:
1) what position are you in?
2) I cannot read the images attached as your suits. Is your handed suited or unsuited?
January 21, 2013
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jjpregler said:
I have two questions here:
1) what position are you in?
2) I cannot read the images attached as your suits. Is your handed suited or unsuited?
Sorry sir. We are OTB and our hand is unsuited.
September 29, 2012
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So the pro is in the SB? Assuming 100 ante, your M is just under 8 and this hand is strong enough to open push from the button. Against weaker players, I may be tempted to open raise to about 2200, but with a pro in the SB, I think I just ship it and don't take any chances.
May 30, 2012
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whats the dynamic like with the pro, how agg are they?
if they were agg i like limp/shove as a standard raise/fold is fine. not folding, not shoving especially in a live tourney
July 3, 2010
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duggs said:
whats the dynamic like with the pro, how agg are they?
if they were agg i like limp/shove as a standard raise/fold is fine. not folding, not shoving especially in a live tourney
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January 21, 2013
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FkCoolers said:
duggs said:
whats the dynamic like with the pro, how agg are they?
if they were agg i like limp/shove as a standard raise/fold is fine. not folding, not shoving especially in a live tourney
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No dynamic atm, it is still first orbit at this table.
September 29, 2012
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Don't know why you are reluctant to push. Granted pushing is not always the most optimal play, but: 1) we are under an M of 8; 2) A2 is in the equilibrium shove range for M of 8 OTB; and 3) we have a pro in the blinds left to act.
To me this does come down to a choice in the best way to play this, considering all of the above, I think shoving and making the pro have a hand and not try to outplay you is the better choice.
May 30, 2012
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yea but you dont shove an equib range, you would be raising a whole bunch of value hands and alot of hands with postflop playability. shoving severly caps your range and the relative upside of stealing blinds is negated by being called correctly but 1 if not 2 opponents and being a huge dog
June 11, 2012
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hey
so if yo ushove i guess they call
AA-88,AKo-AQo,AKs-AJs,KQs
if you raise they should reshove wider
prob AA-22,AKo-A8o,KQo-KJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-KTs
if they reshove this wide r/f is less +EV then open shoving.
with the read that the pro is busy with his ipad he is most likely playing his cards and might reshove tighter.
so i think r/f is the way to go with the blocker
cheers
May 30, 2012
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you get called way wider when we shove, BB calls with A10o A9o A9s and 77 which matters because they are combos that crush us
October 22, 2012
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online its a shove to me but live in a good structured tourney i guess i would pass this spot most of the time and fold
and lookout for a 3b shovespot against a loser opener in the next 2 orbits.
imo 15-20bb stacks are live more worth / powerful than online
i absolutely dont like raise/fold with that stack,especially against competent players with bigger stacks in the blinds
June 11, 2012
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adjusted for looser calling range:
AA-77,AKo-A9o,AKs-A9s,KQs-KJs
and same reshoving range.
so its then:
r/f +760t$
f/c -330t$
shove 231$
cheers
June 11, 2012
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badabing78 said:
i absolutely dont like raise/fold with that stack,especially against competent players with bigger stacks in the blinds
i like r/f here a lot because of the stack, the blocker and the fact that we have competent players in the blinds who are most likely the type of players which are not r/f 15-20BB stacks.
so your perceived range is pretty strong
July 3, 2010
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Doesn't seem like a shove at all in a live, good structured MTT. In fact, I've heard a lot of very good live players say this is a common leak by online players – i.e. using the same exact shove range for both online and live.
May 30, 2012
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yea you have fold equity way shorter live due to so many people calling incorrectly and busto hurting more, so getting called by better is a disaster for 19bb. i still would r/f this online tho, id only be shoving if one or both of the stacks where shallower reducing the effective stack.
March 18, 2013
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19 bb way too much for a shove with A2o and too little to be raise/folding which is what you'd have to do IMO. Too much of these guy's calling (and 3betting for that matter) range includes better aces. Therefore, open folding is tough but necessary here to preserve the reshoving stack for a better spot. This is assuming you think the blinds are competent. Full disclosure, I know Darren a bit and think he's probably 3betting a bunch so I'd just fold. If you think they're folding a ton of the time, then I'd raise/fold. I'm far more likely to raise/fold with hands that hit flops better than ace/rag in this spot like 22-77 and a lot of suited connectors and even suited 1-2 gappers.
January 31, 2013
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In this spot I think i would just open-fold due to the following:
Your stack is too shallow to open and fold to a 3bet, which will probably happen since the first hand you play that table/orbit is from the button.
If you say that the structure is good, you have time left to find a better spot to get it in.
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