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Interesting turn and river spots
redvulture61
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July 22, 2013 - 10:04 am
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Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t350/t700 Blinds + t85 – 8 players – View hand 2264715
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kalabum (UTG): BB = 61.7, t43193
Madie88 (UTG+1): BB = 55.7, t38973
A.Iverson89 (MP1): BB = 101.7, t71204
Hero (MP2): BB = 43.6, t30531
MATPOC73 (CO): BB = 73.6, t51524
Sarda Maxima (BTN): BB = 29.6, t20738
lia_faladora (SB): BB = 14.1, t9845
WalkerDDG (BB): BB = 47.7, t33363

Pre Flop: (t1730) Hero is MP2 with A of spades 5 of clubs
3 folds, Hero raises to t1609, 3 folds, WalkerDDG calls t909

Flop: (t4248) 6 of diamonds 7 of diamonds 2 of diamonds (2 players)
WalkerDDG checks, Hero bets t2100, WalkerDDG calls t2100

Turn: (t8448) 8 of hearts (2 players)
WalkerDDG checks, Hero bets t4126, WalkerDDG calls t4126

River: (t16700) 9 of hearts (2 players)
WalkerDDG checks, Hero bets t7700, WalkerDDG raises to t25443 all in

 

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds + t15 – 9 players – View hand 2264702
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

calul78 (MP1): BB = 77.5, t9305
Hero (MP2): BB = 75.4, t9048
manoups (CO): BB = 76.4, t9170
tibcsi9999 (BTN): BB = 23.3, t2801
Andy447 (SB): BB = 39.3, t4720
Snowslide (BB): BB = 41.0, t4920
MarcelM1982 (UTG): BB = 91.9, t11025
miltos1990m (UTG+1): BB = 153.3, t18399
neeter1234 (UTG+2): BB = 70.0, t8395

Pre Flop: (t315) Hero is MP2 with K of clubs K of hearts
1 fold, miltos1990m calls t120, 2 folds, Hero raises to t600, 4 folds, miltos1990m calls t480

Flop: (t1515) Q of hearts 2 of diamonds 9 of diamonds (2 players)
miltos1990m checks, Hero bets t960, miltos1990m calls t960

Turn: (t3435) T of hearts (2 players)
miltos1990m checks, Hero bets t1440, miltos1990m raises to t6120, 

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so does this mean you want  to properly discuss hands or are you going to react the same way you did last time?

 

i hope it is the former. 

 

in the first hand, A5o is a pretty junk hand to be opening from MP2 – you there is no real board that you can get any significant action on, except for A5x, so i would be folding this hand and opening something like 89s or even J9s, as these sorts of hands have much better postflop playability. 

 

as played, your bet on the flop is fine, but i am not sure what folds on the turn that called on the flop. villains with flush draws are still calling most likely, especially if they have two overcards as well, and villains with overpairs usually put you on a draw and so call as well. 

 

i would check-evaluate turn. 

 

on the river, the only hands you get value from are overpairs that have a diamond. there are a significant amount of Tx hands in villains range too – 9T and T8 with a diamond, AT/KT as well. 

 

if i barrelled turn i would check-eval river and allow villain to bluff missed draws but depending on action i think folding is ok, but i still think checking turn is best. 

 

 

in the second hand, i like your raise sizing preflop and your flop sizing. even though you havent given any reads, i think becasue of the limp it is safe to assume villain is likely to be bad, and so charging his single pair hands is a good idea. 

 

his turn raise sizing is pretty indicitave of a made hand though. quite often fish will bet large like this in order to protect their made hand from the flush draws out there, of which there are now two. i think QT,Q9,KJ,22 possibly even J8, maybe even Aces are all in villain's range, and the sort of hands you beat are hands like TJ and QJ with a flush draw, but there isnt that many. 

 

i think its a pretty clear bet-fold on the turn, interesting to hear what other people think. 

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ignore this post. 

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bennymacca said:

in the second hand, i like your raise sizing preflop and your flop sizing. even though you havent given any reads, i think becasue of the limp it is safe to assume villain is likely to be bad, and so charging his single pair hands is a good idea. 

 

his turn raise sizing is pretty indicitave of a made hand though. quite often fish will bet large like this in order to protect their made hand from the flush draws out there, of which there are now two. i think QT,Q9,KJ,22 possibly even J8, maybe even Aces are all in villain's range, and the sort of hands you beat are hands like TJ and QJ with a flush draw, but there isnt that many. 

 

i think its a pretty clear bet-fold on the turn, interesting to hear what other people think. 

First hand agree with your analysis

Second hand: we block a ton of their draws by holding 2 K's so that removes a lot of the hands that might semi blufraise (although I agree it's unlikely that the player type as described is capable of raising turn here). I'd bet fold as well

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elorean said:

bennymacca said:

in the second hand, i like your raise sizing preflop and your flop sizing. even though you havent given any reads, i think becasue of the limp it is safe to assume villain is likely to be bad, and so charging his single pair hands is a good idea. 

 

his turn raise sizing is pretty indicitave of a made hand though. quite often fish will bet large like this in order to protect their made hand from the flush draws out there, of which there are now two. i think QT,Q9,KJ,22 possibly even J8, maybe even Aces are all in villain's range, and the sort of hands you beat are hands like TJ and QJ with a flush draw, but there isnt that many. 

 

i think its a pretty clear bet-fold on the turn, interesting to hear what other people think. 

First hand agree with your analysis

Second hand: we block a ton of their draws by holding 2 K's so that removes a lot of the hands that might semi blufraise (although I agree it's unlikely that the player type as described is capable of raising turn here). I'd bet fold as well

He didin't raise the turn he c/r it. Overbetting and check raises on the turn from fish are always nutted hands.

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yeah agree, i obv mean cr, just didnt write it. 

 

cheers for posting your reads too, it helps a lot. 

 

in the first hand, given you had not been getting played back at much, i think its much less of a marginal open. would still be very near the bottom of my range, but i can see myself sometimes opening this on very tight tables. it also makes the double barrel a bit better too as you might get folds from some mid pair type hands that might peel, although it is still a very wet board that just got even wetter, so i think i would still check turn and evaluate. 

 

in hand two, i agree that big raises like this are almost always nutted hands, particularly ones that they want to protect from draws, so i think if you bf this you played it well

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Yeah i folded kings pretty quickly and folded in the other hand. Pretty standard fold with the kings.  In hand 1 he was nice enough to show 10x, for the straight, and hand 2 villian did not show a bluff despite the fact he showed almost everytime he was bluffing like your 1 tabaling fish do. What you can learn from these hands is that is important not to level yourself in these Micro and low stakes MTTs especially against a fish. When a fish Check/raises turn and rivers  just give them credit without a phermoneal read. Even if they are doing it with a worst hand 5% of the time there is nothing you can do about it. 

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Hand 1, I agree with Benny that A5 is basically junk, though if the table had been passive and you were getting steals through then opening is fine (I can't see your reads Benny speaks of, either it was sarcasm, they have been removed or I am blind). I don't mind stabbing at that flop, you'll get a fold a decent amount of the time. On the turn I am giving up, hoping that I might hit the river or see a show down. I don't think you get much to fold with the second barrel and this isn't a board I would want to 3barrel. On the river you make a hand and now I am just happy to see a showdown. Value betting is really thin, especially as it is now so hard for him to call with a single pair hand.

 

Hand 2, the iso sizing is good if you had some idea that he was going to call any sizing. I like the flop sizing, semi-tempting to check back the turn but against this opponent I would probably just be going for value and so like the turn bet too, seems a clear fold to his raise.

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