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June 27, 2015
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so I’m looking for a couple opinions on a hand from a live tournament last night.
My table image is very solid. Playing tight-ish aggressive, have showdown some big hands, never got out of line and reads have been spot on.
Villian is an older guy and has been playing very ABC relatively tight. Hasn’t really gotten out of line in any spots not spewy at all.
Blinds are 400/800
Hero (24,000)
Villian (30,000 ish)
Hero opens to $1700 UTG +2 with As Js
Villain flats from UTG+3, rest of table folds.
Flop Ac 4d 7s
Based on previous information on this player I figured his range is probably 55-99 and any suited Broadway’s less AQ-AK. AQ-AK 10-10+ he’s always 3 betting preflop.
I open for $1850 and he snap raises to $4500, i flat
Turn 8c, I check and he snaps in $12,000 with out counting out chips, just grabs a stack and shoves it in.
This is the first time I’ve seen him do something like this(been sitting beside the guy for 4 hours)
What’s my play? With his weird bet on the turn there is now $25,600 in the pot and I am sitting with $18,800 behind.
July 22, 2015
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if reads have been spot on for you that night, then you should go with your read.
with the preflop range you had given to your opponent, only hands that ahead of you is 77
so only question that you need to ask, will he do this with 55-66, and 99?
does his action on the flop, and turn change your assumption on his preflop range maybe?
is the tournament in the money already? if yes, is the next pay jump very high? 
June 11, 2012
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couple of points to your reads:
did you see him 3betting the range you assign him for 3betting or is it just what you would 3bet?
based on my live reads against older men as described they are not really 3betting all that wide and if they do they make it really big.
also you said he played tight and ABC and you ve never seen this behavior. maybe he just never had a hand to do it and therefore his image seemed to be ABC
i would assume his calling range something like this:
22-JJ,A2s-AJs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AJo,KJo+,QJo,AdKd,AcKd,AdKh,AdKs,AdKc,AhKd,AsKd,AdQd,AhQh,AdQh,AdQc,AhQd,AsQd,AcQd,AdQs,QdQh,QdQs,QdQc,AhKh gave him couple of hands at 50% for 3betting.
a villain as describe is most likely doing this only with TPTK+ here.
nevertheless i run a calc with him doing it with all TP+
against that we have 40% equity on the turn
but i hardly ever see a villain as described doing it with less then TPTK agaisnt that we have only 12% equity on the flop and about 6% on the turn.
i think its a bet/fold against this type of player on the flop.
tbh doubt i find it in game
June 27, 2015
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I based his range on previous hands. I saw him 3 bet 3 times. Once with AQ suited once with 10-10 and didn’t get to see third hand. Also saw him flat KJ suited 2 hands prior to this one and I’m pretty sure he flatted 55 earlier as well(may have been 6’s) and hit a greasy straight on river.
He’s shown down some good hands so this wasn’t his first pick up of the tourney either.
I think this hand would have been a lot easier to fold if it wasn’t such a big deviation from his playing style in previous hands.
To make a long story short I tanked for about 2 mins and shoved he obviously calls. Turns out my read pre- flop and on flop was spot on again with the under pair……..88….puked on table GG.
June 11, 2012
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ok i adjusted his range bit but still leave him 3betting AKo, TT only 50% vs an EP raise.
on flop i decided he does this with:
3of a kind: 6combos
2pair: 4 combos
TPTK: 5 combos
OESD: 4combos
Backdoor straight draws with his pairs: 88,66,55 18combos
=37combos
flop: vs this range we have an easy flo pcall as we need 20% but have 58%
turn is where it gets interesting:
lot of his draws got there, 88 got there
if he is only betting with his value hand we are crushed. we have 3.8% equity vs his value betting range.
if he double barrel 55,66 as they picked up a draw then we have 34% equity need 32% to be BE.
for those reason i think its a fold.
August 10, 2014
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I don't have enough live experience, but impulsively throwing in stacks of chips leads me to suspect strength/excitment about his hand.
The raise on the flop is fairly small and I think the most important question is does he do this with Aces we beat. I'd also guess that against this type of player he'll turn his hand face up on the turn.
All that considered, I think we should fold the turn pretty easily.
November 18, 2013
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I'm wondering if checking the flop is preferable to betting here. You have a decent hand and you're likely ahead but probalby not strong enough to get three streets of value. The only hand with a significant draw is 76 but there are few combos of that in villain's range. The rest of his range that's behind has 2-5 outs against you Villain may be more likely to call with hands like 88-TT on the turn. Checking also gives villain some opportunity to bluff.
As played I'm folding on the flop. When I have the hand that I'm representing and a solid older player is raising me, I'm not sure I want to play bluff catcher OOP. The main argument for calling the flop is the potential for a BDFD but I just don't think live villains bluff enough for this to be a profitable call.
July 12, 2013
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Rob its never a bluff at Regent… Snap fold…
May 20, 2013
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When you are playing live, the biggest difference is that you can “see” when a player acts differently that he usually does. A player often falls into a set pattern. When that pattern breaks, something special is happening. It could be something epic, or some external stimulus, but typically they are telegraphing something. I would really be taking some time on the flop raise before calling. Do we believe that he would do this if he flatted a hand like JJ? I so see older players (especially recreational ones) flat AK in late position deep into a live MTT.
I would seriously consider folding to the flop raise here. It may feel weak and certainly not standard, but stack sizes make the call akward on the turn.
Also, I dont often see a person with 37 BB running a 3 street bluff on a draw after flatting either.
(Not sure I see a reason that this would be a check on the flop either, I would typically lead 90%+ of my range on this flop.)
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