First of all, I'm not sure this is the right part of the forum for this post so if the mods want to move it, be my guest.
As those of you who've read my two threads on the strategy forum will probably realise, I'm relatively new to the mtt game! I started playing them not particularly differently to how I'd played sng's in the past, basically i was a nit, and despite doing ok I rapidly realised they're a different ball game altogether.
So, I'm trying to improve my game, the reason I'm on this site, and I'm taking in a lot of information, from videos, articles, podcasts, forums etc. I've no doubt this has given me a far greater understanding of what it takes to be a successful mtt player and at times I feel my play has significantly improved.
But… Because my style has changed so significantly, so quickly I'm finding myself in spots I'm not familiar with on a frequent basis and because of the volume of information I've consumed in a short space of time I find that my head is swimming with it at times and ultimately I'm making mistakes I would never have made before.
So, my question is, how would you suggest I approach this going forward? Take a break from learning, play a load and apply what I've learnt through experience at the table? Take a break from playing, keep learning and allow that time to properly sink in? Or carry on what I'm doing, which is basically a combination of the two.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Who said this game was ****ing easy..!
Edit: If anyone could teach me how to spell 'implementing' correctly before I use it in the title of a thread that'd be greatly appreciated as well!
October 6, 2010
Hey man. This is a generic answer but true. You are saying that you find yourself in a lot unfamiliar spots because you are adjusting your game so much from what you are learning. The best way to become familiar in these spots is to really try and understand them. Each time you find those spots, instantly mark it in ur HUD so you can review later and post each of those spots in the MTT forum. The more you talk about each of those you will start to understand and become familiar with them. Secondly, play play play…….you get better and start seeing trends the more you play, u are going to see new trends because of your new style so you need to play more volume to get used to them. Best of luck.
Before I started winning tourneys at a semidecent rate, i was just like you. 4 Months of TPE, i think i started to get comfortable. But i played everyday, still do, and view my tourneys, and watch new vids, logging notes on mistakes i make..so u clear them.. EVERY day… It's repetition, thinking deeper then you ever thought. Watching your vids, and becoming raise happy, and opening as much as you can in the midgame. “if you want to live, you gotta be willing to die.” But at the same time, knowing when to change gears, and yes infact nit it up a bit. Because of image, or stack size, or icm. It's repetition, weeding out your mistakes (which instantly improves your game). It's not ALL about just learning new stuff. It's elminating the bad stuff just as well. I say this.. play a lot. In the midstage open up as much as u can, raising,IP raising MP and raising UTG..cbetting boards applying pressure, or chk raising them. when to reshove, when not to. when to open shove, etc. Once u start doing this stuff religiously, you start winning tournaments. Raising “spots” when the antes come in. not necessarly the cards we have in our hands. But raising that particular guy, cuz of his particular stack, and the guy to your left is 12/8 nit. That stuff is where the 10s of thousands of hands comes into play. I just say..best advice controlled aggression, and really trying to think in regards or ranging the opponent, and what he would do, and what he'll do if u do. Can he stand the raise on the nasty board he just Cbet? We'll see..3x bam!!..and he folds. :D…And last but not least probably the most important of it all is the stack management. Doing all this stuff is controlled/limited by your stack size. Really paying attention to this, is how we go real deep and win tourneys.All this shit is takes a lot of practice LOL!! glgl and sorry if i rambled too much
when i wanted to try out new concepts in the past, I would sometimes try them at lower buyins. I realized that the way other players are going to react to them at a lower BI level is different than at your normal level, but it sort of helps you get used to it in a live game atmosphere without having to worry to much about f'ing up!
Thanks for your input lads, I found all three posts really helpful.
Part of the reason I posted this thread originally was because I'm in the middle, well hopefully at the end, of my biggest downswing so far. I believe this is due to a combination of bad luck and bad play due to being unfamilar with the spots I referred to before. I wasn't sure whether it was wise to keep playing through it or whether that was burning money. But as Hawkeye and 0lespaul have alluded to, I suppose I'm buying experience and without putting myself in these spots again and again and again I'm never going to fully understand them. What I have done is drop down stakes a bit, playing roughly abi of $5 rather than $11. Good to hear from Killingbird that this isn't such a bad idea.
Any other advice would be great.
I'm kind of in a comparable place, so I too appreciate the comments.
I've been playing of and on before, some times doing better then others. When I found out about the podcast and later the site I realized how much there is to learn and a place where to learn it! But I agree it is an information overload indeed! I just started, so I'm sure it will take some time to start putting all the tips I´ve heard and seen in my game. I´ll just keep at it 🙂
If anyone has any tips to get started in a game that would be much appreciated. In the vids it usually seems to be “ship it or don't”. But it seems often a bit silly to just ship in $1500 in chips to pick up $15… Especially when you get called after picking up $90 that way and losing $1400 to AQ 😉
0lespaul3 said:
Before I started winning tourneys at a semidecent rate, i was just like you. 4 Months of TPE, i think i started to get comfortable. But i played everyday, still do, and view my tourneys, and watch new vids, logging notes on mistakes i make..so u clear them.. EVERY day… It's repetition, thinking deeper then you ever thought. Watching your vids, and becoming raise happy, and opening as much as you can in the midgame. “if you want to live, you gotta be willing to die.” But at the same time, knowing when to change gears, and yes infact nit it up a bit. Because of image, or stack size, or icm. It's repetition, weeding out your mistakes (which instantly improves your game). It's not ALL about just learning new stuff. It's elminating the bad stuff just as well. I say this.. play a lot. In the midstage open up as much as u can, raising,IP raising MP and raising UTG..cbetting boards applying pressure, or chk raising them. when to reshove, when not to. when to open shove, etc. Once u start doing this stuff religiously, you start winning tournaments. Raising “spots” when the antes come in. not necessarly the cards we have in our hands. But raising that particular guy, cuz of his particular stack, and the guy to your left is 12/8 nit. That stuff is where the 10s of thousands of hands comes into play. I just say..best advice controlled aggression, and really trying to think in regards or ranging the opponent, and what he would do, and what he'll do if u do. Can he stand the raise on the nasty board he just Cbet? We'll see..3x bam!!..and he folds. :D…And last but not least probably the most important of it all is the stack management. Doing all this stuff is controlled/limited by your stack size. Really paying attention to this, is how we go real deep and win tourneys.All this shit is takes a lot of practice LOL!! glgl and sorry if i rambled too much
Think this is excellent advice and something I will try and do as I'm just starting to properly learn the game
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