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June 10, 2010 - 12:59 am

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Seat 1: texasholdup5 (20554 in chips)
Seat 2: Buffett1986 (38691 in chips)
Seat 3: AQUA RAIDER (43107 in chips)
Seat 4: PB NUGGS (42815 in chips)
Seat 5: Mikey0690 (21409 in chips)
Seat 6: Charbarj41 (8425 in chips)
Seat 7: LottoMartin (10109 in chips)
Seat 8: bigdogpckt5s (54465 in chips)
texasholdup5: posts the ante 75
Buffett1986: posts the ante 75
AQUA RAIDER: posts the ante 75
PB NUGGS: posts the ante 75
Mikey0690: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts the ante 75
LottoMartin: posts the ante 75
bigdogpckt5s: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts small blind 400
LottoMartin: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigdogpckt5s [8d 8h]
bigdogpckt5s: raises 889 to 1689
texasholdup5: folds
Buffett1986: calls 1689
AQUA RAIDER: folds
PB NUGGS: folds
Mikey0690: calls 1689
Charbarj41: folds
LottoMartin: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd Ts]
bigdogpckt5s: bets 2789
Buffett1986: raises 3766 to 6555

????

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June 10, 2010 - 1:19 am

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Sup bigdog – really like your style of play. My style is similiar – tight in the beginning then aggro after antes – only I have a ton more leaks.

Please be sure to post your reads on villain for future hands unless you dont have a read, as I think that will make a diff in your decisions and in ours.

In this hand I feel like we are ahead a fair amount of the time. I like a raise to around 14500 with the plan on folding to a shove and likely shutting it down if it is called.

EDIT: Editing to add – actually now that I look at his stack size, it would be hard to fold to a shove from him after raising to 14500… So I guess that puts it as more of a shove or fold situation for me. If I had no read on the player, I probably just fold as we are out of position and I dont like a call + check on the turn.

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June 10, 2010 - 3:10 am

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I assume mikey0690 folded?

Stacks are so weird that nothing really seems right… I guess I fold despite how wet the board is. Flatting seems poopy on such a wet board, especially OOP; raising is just asking to get shoved on, putting us in a worse spot that where we are now given the equity he has when he shows up with NFD’s or OESD+overcards, or heaven forbid, Jx; shoving is pretty well turning our hand in to a bluff given stack sizes.

I’m actually kind of surprised that you cbet this in to 2 flatters tbh, and default to checking– care to address that?

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June 10, 2010 - 5:57 am

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I mean I think a c-bet even into two players here is pretty standard. I def dont like the idea of just giving up on the pot on the flop concidering i was pre flop aggressor. And yes Mikey folded

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June 10, 2010 - 8:30 am

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Such a draw heavy board with 2 overs I think I would fold here with out any reads.With 64 bigs and a pretty marginal spot Im going to look for other spots to increase my stack.

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June 10, 2010 - 7:19 pm

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Ok well guess ive played this hand awful to this point so let me show you more action.

Seat 1: texasholdup5 (20554 in chips)
Seat 2: Buffett1986 (38691 in chips)
Seat 3: AQUA RAIDER (43107 in chips)
Seat 4: PB NUGGS (42815 in chips)
Seat 5: Mikey0690 (21409 in chips)
Seat 6: Charbarj41 (8425 in chips)
Seat 7: LottoMartin (10109 in chips)
Seat 8: bigdogpckt5s (54465 in chips)
texasholdup5: posts the ante 75
Buffett1986: posts the ante 75
AQUA RAIDER: posts the ante 75
PB NUGGS: posts the ante 75
Mikey0690: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts the ante 75
LottoMartin: posts the ante 75
bigdogpckt5s: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts small blind 400
LottoMartin: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigdogpckt5s [8d 8h]
bigdogpckt5s: raises 889 to 1689
texasholdup5: folds
Buffett1986: calls 1689
AQUA RAIDER: folds
PB NUGGS: folds
Mikey0690: calls 1689
Charbarj41: folds
LottoMartin: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd Ts]
bigdogpckt5s: bets 2789
Buffett1986: raises 3766 to 6555
Mikey0690: folds
bigdogpckt5s: calls 3766
*** TURN *** [6s Jd Ts] [7h]
bigdogpckt5s: checks
Buffett1986: bets 8885

????

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June 10, 2010 - 8:03 pm

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I’ll give it ago I think your beat bigdog at this point I belive the villian to b on 1010+. I think he tosses AQ AK after flop. What he betting could possibly be 66 but even that is hard to grasp.

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June 10, 2010 - 8:20 pm

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i fold to the 1st raise, he raised you with someone left to act when you bet into 2 ppl on a drawy board. he should know there will be a lot of hands that are calling so its not the best spot. you cant call here and expect to get to showdown often at all and there will be tons of cards that you hate that come

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June 11, 2010 - 2:43 pm

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I don’t really like peeling the turn, not because I think were beat here every time, but more so because there aren’t that many turn cards taht are gonna be good for our hand and with his line I think he’s def firing the turn. So then that leaves us in a really awk spot. Def dont think you can flat the turn (unless it comes like a total brick and you peg this guy on a draw in which case you can rr?). Im a pretty big nit and don’t like spots like these so I usually just give it upand carry my stack to the next hand with my tail between my legs.

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June 11, 2010 - 3:34 pm

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imho calling the first raise is spew. i am not big on the oop float, and even if i am ever good here it will be superakward to play the hand oop.

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June 12, 2010 - 10:23 am

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I dont like we are OOP and you know he will be firing another bet on the turn, the pot will be close to 20k and he will probably bet somewhere around 10k which will be over a 1/3rd of his remaining chips he probably is not getting away from the hand. There just isnt alot of cards that will come that will help our hand and I dont think we know where we are in the hand at this point.

I see you posted the turn and he bet 8885, he only has 21k behind its an ugly spot. I think folding on the flop is the best play.

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June 12, 2010 - 10:41 pm

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Let me say I agree with Jdog that there is not alot of cards that help our hand on the river. I can also see how this hand can be thought of being played just awful. But I wanted to post this hand to show that its always not bad to stick with your reads. I had him on KQ so i was planning on calling a rivre bet as long as a 9kqor ace doesnt peel the river. Thought it was a fun hand.

Seat 1: texasholdup5 (20554 in chips)
Seat 2: Buffett1986 (38691 in chips)
Seat 3: AQUA RAIDER (43107 in chips)
Seat 4: PB NUGGS (42815 in chips)
Seat 5: Mikey0690 (21409 in chips)
Seat 6: Charbarj41 (8425 in chips)
Seat 7: LottoMartin (10109 in chips)
Seat 8: bigdogpckt5s (54465 in chips)
texasholdup5: posts the ante 75
Buffett1986: posts the ante 75
AQUA RAIDER: posts the ante 75
PB NUGGS: posts the ante 75
Mikey0690: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts the ante 75
LottoMartin: posts the ante 75
bigdogpckt5s: posts the ante 75
Charbarj41: posts small blind 400
LottoMartin: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bigdogpckt5s [8d 8h]
bigdogpckt5s: raises 889 to 1689
texasholdup5: folds
Buffett1986: calls 1689
AQUA RAIDER: folds
PB NUGGS: folds
Mikey0690: calls 1689
Charbarj41: folds
LottoMartin: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd Ts]
bigdogpckt5s: bets 2789
Buffett1986: raises 3766 to 6555
Mikey0690: folds
bigdogpckt5s: calls 3766
*** TURN *** [6s Jd Ts] [7h]
bigdogpckt5s: checks
Buffett1986: bets 8885
bigdogpckt5s: calls 8885
*** RIVER *** [6s Jd Ts 7h] [3d]
bigdogpckt5s: checks
Buffett1986: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigdogpckt5s: shows [8d 8h] (a pair of Eights)
Buffett1986: mucks hand
bigdogpckt5s collected 37747 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 37747 | Rake 0
Board [6s Jd Ts 7h 3d]
Seat 1: texasholdup5 folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 2: Buffett1986 mucked [Kd Qh]

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June 13, 2010 - 12:56 am

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bigdogpckt5s said:

Let me say I agree with SFPWNT tho

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June 13, 2010 - 9:05 am

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SFpwnt said:

bigdogpckt5s said:

Let me say I agree with SFPWNT tho

lol yes I also agree with SFPWNT.

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June 13, 2010 - 10:33 am

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What if the 3rd spade feel on the river are you calling that? You had an awesome read but you narrowed it to a straight draw. I dont see how we could narrow like that and be profitable, does 66 play the flop and turn like that or JT? No doubt you read was awesome but I like to understand it a little better.

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June 13, 2010 - 11:11 am

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JDOG1645 said:

What if the 3rd spade feel on the river are you calling that? You had an awesome read but you narrowed it to a straight draw. I dont see how we could narrow like that and be profitable, does 66 play the flop and turn like that or JT? No doubt you read was awesome but I like to understand it a little better.

Ok obviously this was an extreame case and thats why i posted it. Because my read has to be 100 percent correct here or my play is just horrific. So what i was trying to show is that I had him on a specific hand and just tried to check call the whole way to try and pot control somewhat if my hand was still better then the hand I had him on I was calling the whole way. So if a spade falls on river I still call because i had him on kq. And not suited in spades.

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June 13, 2010 - 11:16 am

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Thanks for the reply Casey that clears it up……comes down to having the guts to go with you read. I recall you mentioning in some of your videos that players dont go with their initial read often enough.