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ICM Disaster? Hero Ac 5s
lapp3r30
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April 22, 2017 - 1:53 pm
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This is from a $1500 GTD on Playnow.com a network in Canada. $24 buy.

We’re final 3 with payouts of $480/$310/$210

Final table was 10 handed and 2 players were knocked out reasonably early putting us ITM.  

After that very slow… When 6 handed the CL of this hand elmiminated 2 players at once.  And now we’re 3 handed.

I’ll give stats.  Basically Villain had opened up a bit w his stack…  Unfortunately HH converter won’t work so I’ll do my best.

 

Blinds 750/1500/150

Villain BTN (81,512) 

Hero SB (33,406)

XYZ BB (20,182) – Not all that relevant this hand other than ICM considerations.

 

Preflop

V raises to 5,700 – Now I dont’ make anything of this raise sizing since he had been opening big earlier.  Might make his range wider if nothing else.  Earlier, I did see him open this sizing and fold to a 3b jam.

Stats on Villain – 110 hands – 32/16/5.6 BTN Steal-33 Flop fold to CB-33

 

Hero – Reraises to 11,099 ( So I 3b small planning to obv call.  If he does call here I’m jamming pretty much 100% of flops.  I understand a jam here would be fine.  Or would it w ICM? )

 

Villain calls.

 

Flop (24,148) – 4spade Kclub 2diamond  So we catch a pretty good flop here.  

Hero – 22,157

Villain – 70,413

 

Hero – Jams 22,157

 

Any problems here?  I gave the hero a range of 88+, A9o+, K10o+, JTs, Q10s+, K9s+, A8s+.  We might be able to take out at least some AA KK QQ JJ as I think he jams a chunk of those.  Maybe 1010 too?  Anyways…

 

After some Flopzilla work it looks like if he calls, PP below TP+ (88-QQ) thats 49.1% of his range.  So when we jam 22,157 to win 46,305.  We need him to fold 51%.  We see he’s calling 49.1% so thats whatever.  But I also think w my 3b so small he could probably be wider. Which would make it fine.  Also assumes he’s calling all his 88’s 99’s which he may, or may not.  I think he probably does.

 

I guess the question is how we consider ICM.  I see in ICMizer2 we are -1.08.  So that’s pretty bad…

 

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.  Thanks guys/gals!

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April 22, 2017 - 2:19 pm
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I think you’ve forgotten to put what hand you have in! 

Unless I am being even more dense than usual 🙂

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HAHAHAAH MFER!@@@! AAHHHHHH!@!@@ LOL

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I can edit this post and topic but no OP…. What a fn fail! lol

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I just 3bet all in pre flop with 22bbs.

If you think V is opening for a bet pot pre flop quite wide, you should open your 3betting shoving range too, assuming you have some fold equity.

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I feel like with that flop shop, you’re screaming ‘I’m bluffing!’. You would never ever ever shove a K on K42 rainbow flop. There are very few hands that you could make a good reason for shoving (AA, 44, 22 to get the value from his strong K) but that’s pretty much all. As a villain I’d probably call you with 88+ and even give a serious that about hero calling with stronger A. 

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kardi31 said
I feel like with that flop shop, you’re screaming ‘I’m bluffing!’. You would never ever ever shove a K on K42 rainbow flop. There are very few hands that you could make a good reason for shoving (AA, 44, 22 to get the value from his strong K) but that’s pretty much all. As a villain I’d probably call you with 88+ and even give a serious that about hero calling with stronger A.   

I jam on 99.9% of boards here w my  full range.  Think of it from the villains perspective and what he has to call w here to break even.  I think the result might surprise you.

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I reeeeeally hate 3-betting small here pre for 1/3 your stack. To give you some perspective on ICM, if you make this 3-bet with AQ or 88 and villain jams, it’s not out of the question that ICM Nash would tell you to fold it to the shove. You can’t afford to put yourself in a position to 3-bet/call it off light where ICM is concerned, inducing action is not much of an option with a shorter stack in play.

Shoving pre here would (most likely) not be a huge punt if you know villain is capable of r/f that sizing, but 3b/call is a massive punt, and I think it’s pretty razor thin as to whether ICM even allows you to shove this flop for full pot knowing that you have super low equity when called.

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Yes I am all in there pre too. 

The pot is 25%of your stack. As far as I am concerned these spots need to be bulldozed through, especially under ICM conditions.

I like Ginger’s thoughts too. 

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