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I think I botched this hand on multiple streets
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April 16, 2012 - 2:00 pm
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Merge Network Sunday $150,000 Guaranteed Freezeout No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t125.00/t250.00 Blinds + t25.00 – 9 players
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GrNdN4RnT (MP1): BB = 81.1, t20282
killinRAZZ (MP2): BB = 26.6, t6648
catalinawinemixer69 (CO): BB = 23.5, t5875
Ramel34 (BTN): BB = 19.3, t4830
vontilt (SB): BB = 78.7, t19675
fromnothin (BB): BB = 13.3, t3325
PaintingaPicasso (UTG): BB = 44.0, t11010
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 41.7, t10420
AT1977 (UTG+2): BB = 54.0, t13497

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is UTG+1 with K of diamonds Q of diamonds
1 fold, Hero raises to t575.00, AT1977 calls t575, 3 folds, Ramel34 calls t575, vontilt calls t450, 1 fold

Flop: (t2775) 8 of hearts 9 of diamonds 2 of diamonds (4 players)
vontilt checks, Hero bets t1250.00, AT1977 raises to t2500.00, Ramel34 folds, vontilt folds, Hero calls t1250

Turn: (t7775) J of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, AT1977 checks

River: (t7775) 8 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, AT1977 bets t2345.00, Hero…………….

 

Pre, UTG+1 Any issues with the 575 bet? 

 

Flop, C-Bet into 3 players on a Fl draw with two overs??? 

 

Turn, I checked when I hit my hand………I am hearing bigdog in my head…….you hit your hand, why are you checking?  Build the damn pot.  What size bet would work here?

River is UGLY……..what do you do?  Do we drop our hand?  Smooth call?  Jamming is out.

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April 16, 2012 - 3:08 pm
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Either betting turn or check/calling to disguise and get max value on the river. Unfortunately if that was your plan his check behind sucks. River is a check/call imo, he can have several hands that beat you but you still beat a lot in his range and he can definitely have bluffs in his range given the scare card and your weakness on turn and river.

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April 16, 2012 - 3:11 pm
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U played it perfect till the turn imo. U cant be fearful of the VERY RARE cases that someone may be holding a higher flush. In this case its super, super rare since u have the king. Ive played with At1977 many times, and have played him heads up for the win in a few tourneys. He's a good player, and he does this same thing with 5d6d..So NEVER slow down on the turn here, BOMB IT. You've got the 2nd NUTZ.. If your opponent has the ace, and decides to improperly call your bomb on the turn, then its just very unlucky and move on. As played on the river, he bets one third pot. You've only gotta be right 1 in 3 times. I'm callng..show me the ace. If i'm him, it almost looks like your playing affraid of the flush, and thats why he's putting it out there. I've made bets just like this saying to myself ” anybody without diamond can't call”..But its hard to say lacking game flow. But I can say this..when he raises me, i have no problems 4betting with all intentions of getting it in, giving him the decision of tournament life.. This is one of those moments that sends you deep and into the money and gives u a shot at a win. Can't pass em up and played scared. gl

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April 16, 2012 - 3:33 pm
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I like your PF sizing no issues there.

 

OTF I other than beeting a bit smaller to keep some smaller draws in I think its fine.  checking will get you no info, wont build the pot if you hit and more importnatly will turn your hand face up after calling a raise.

 

I am fine with the call of the 3 bet on the flop  if you are planning to raise/put it all in on the turn.  So I dont like the check at all.

 

I call the river as I feel there will be enough 8s, bluffs overpairs str8s and smaller flushes to justify it.  but I wont be surprised if im beat.

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April 16, 2012 - 8:08 pm
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0lespaul3 said:

As played on the river, he bets one third pot. You've only gotta be right 1 in 3 times.

you only have to be right 1 in 4 times, not 1 in 3 btw. you are calling 1 unit to win 4

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I call, he turned over 88 for quads. 

 

The intent on the turn was the check/shove, trying to get cute.  I am thinking the right move is a jam since I had just shy of a pot size bet left and only beat by the suited Adiamond.

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bomb turn dude. never give the guy with eh ace of diamonds a free shot. plus your losing tons of value when he checks back on your chk raise..really an awful time imo to chk raise.  As far as the quads, he's getting there anyway, as he's never folding his set. gl

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April 18, 2012 - 4:46 am
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I have spent much time in analysing this hand.

 

Firstly, I allocated the villian's preflop flatting range to be JJ-22 and ATs-AJs and KQs.

 

When the villian min raises, I first assigned a range of sets, TT-JJ and AJ-AT of diamonds. Against this range it is clear that a 3b jam on the flop is bad so the question now becomes call or fold.

 

However, after analysing in further detail his range becomes even stronger as we can take TT-JJ out of his range because I don't believe he is ever min raising these hands. This now leaves the villian with sets and two combos of better flush draws, so, as played, the turn is an easy ship with the SPR of 1 and you are just going to get snapped by his entire range, which now only has 1 combo of better flushes.

 

As played, the river is a snap fold as you simply don't beat anything.

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