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Now that I am turning up the preflop aggression I am running into more spots where I have to decide to call an all in with marginal holdings. I believe it's time for a Pokerstove/math lesson. I would like to hear your thoughts on how I should be approaching these hands so eventually these situations will become a bit more second nature for me as time goes on. I know this is going to this is probably pretty noobish to a lot of you, but I want to get this down as I will be faced with a lot of these types of situations. How do I approach these hands? Thanks.
Full Tilt Poker $33,000 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t100 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
Rentry85 (UTG+2): BB = 40.3, t32260
colsod87 (MP1): BB = 18.3, t14614
slowTAOn (MP2): BB = 43.5, t34811
momeade (CO): BB = 22.1, t17695
d3rv0gel (BTN): BB = 14.2, t11331
colinhh (SB): BB = 43.0, t34427
Picasso 2 (BB): BB = 33.9, t27151
tw1ndaddy (UTG): BB = 8.0, t6439
sarajevo011 (UTG+1): BB = 22.2, t17773
Pre Flop: (t2100) slowTAOn is MP2 with J
Q
4 folds, slowTAOn raises to t1775, 1 fold, d3rv0gel raises to t11231 all in, 2 folds
Full Tilt Poker Early Double – A No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t100 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
AnteUpUhNUG (UTG+1): BB = 11.4, t9140
Roll this horse (UTG+2): BB = 8.1, t6510
nastasi-128 (MP1): BB = 11.7, t9336
cutoffpokker (MP2): BB = 11.8, t9405
slowTAOn (CO): BB = 24.2, t19388
riupalace07 (BTN): BB = 12.4, t9906
NHGGULFO (SB): BB = 20.8, t16664
outrayges1 (BB): BB = 18.1, t14510
JunniperJen2728 (UTG): BB = 12.9, t10358
Pre Flop: (t2100) slowTAOn is CO with A
2
5 folds, slowTAOn raises to t1780, riupalace07 raises to t9806 all in, 2 folds
Full Tilt Poker $11,500 Rush Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
slowTAOn (BTN): t11224 56.12 BBs
skitillo (SB): t3608 18.04 BBs
kingwils9 (BB): t5064 25.32 BBs
boccionaro (UTG): t14850 74.25 BBs
finding hemo (UTG+1): t9610 48.05 BBs
sfinbar (UTG+2): t5160 25.80 BBs
paully23x (MP1): t4671 23.36 BBs
yee78 (MP2): t20154 100.77 BBs
sockhermom (CO): t8586 42.93 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) slowTAOn is BTN with K Q
6 folds, slowTAOn raises to t470, skitillo raises to t3608 all in
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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Great approach to learning the concepts…this is how I learned about shove/fold/resteal equity. What you should do first is start with assign villain ranges in each hand then we'll walk through the math together. I assume you have pokerstove? If not download it and because that will be our next step.
I do have Pokerstove and I was messing around with it a little bit yesterday. These tournaments were within the last 3 days so the reads I had at the time aren't as fresh now so excuse that. I remember out of the first 2 hands one of them I assigned a bit more tight of a range than the other, just don't remember which. Should I automatically put premiums in their range to play it safe? Let's just say the first hand I could see him doing this with any pair and J10s+A5o+. 2nd hand let's say pairs 55+ KJo+ A6o+. 3rd hand is a bit more difficult as it's a Rush tourney so I guess it's pretty random.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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ok let's start with the first and then go from there. In pokerstove pick those hands that you chose as his range and run a calculation against your hand.
Here's the range you picked.
I think it's a little tighter as he's not acting from the blinds and you are not opening from late position. I'd go with:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.651% 34.22% 00.43% 942141492 11932884.00 { QJo }
Hand 1: 65.349% 64.92% 00.43% 1787377572 11932884.00 { 55+, A7s+, KQs, ATo+, KQo }
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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There's 15106 in the pot. It costs you 9456 to call. That means you're putting in 9456/24562 = 38% of the final pot.
You need 38.4% equity to make this a profitable call. If he's shoving your range then a call is profitable, if he's shoving my range then it's not.
Wanna try the other hands?
First off, I edited my first post to try and make my ranges a little more clear just in case they weren't and still failed at that. Nonetheless, after I put his assigned ranges in Pokerstove and run it against my actual hand, how do I use the equity information in comparison to the pot odds?
Edit because you already answered my question. We don't have to try the other hands, I see how this works and I can now feel even more comfortable playing aggressively later in tournaments. I appreciate your help.
Actually I have one more question about Pokerstove and calling but post flop, does it work kind of the same way?
How would you have handled this hand if you don't mind? It's the Rush tournament.
Full Tilt Poker $11,500 Rush Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
Vbdrew (BTN): t2830 23.58 BBs
ClarkAS (SB): t13943 116.19 BBs
hassetrex (BB): t9628 80.23 BBs
Quartzzk (UTG): t5820 48.50 BBs
Giorkuros (UTG+1): t6288 52.40 BBs
DEADyshka2 (UTG+2): t3020 25.17 BBs
maroussia (MP1): t1769 14.74 BBs
ShimmyE (MP2): t1850 15.42 BBs
slowTAOn (CO): t10009 83.41 BBs
Pre Flop: (t180) slowTAOn is CO with K
J
5 folds, slowTAOn raises to t300, 2 folds, hassetrex calls t180
Flop: (t660) 5 3 K (2 players)
hassetrex checks, slowTAOn bets t355, hassetrex raises to t9328 all in
You know I was messing with Pokerstove now and it looks like it does work the same way. It looks like vs his possible holdings, my hand would not have had enough equity to make this a profitable call.
TBH, i think what your problem is in these situations pre flop is observing stack sizes a little bit better.
– the first one is real close as you can see from ronfez's calculations after a raise pre. But first look at the spot you are raising from with the stack sizes behind. As a general rule of thumb you should not be raising from this position unless you willing to play for shorties stacks to act behind you. In this perticular hand I count 4 stacks that are at push or fold mode, granted you have 40bb, i think is a clear fold pre flop.
-The second one seems to be a call math wise getting about 2.7-1. But again, I would rather have you just shove out of the gate then raise/fold to any of the stacks behind you.
-the third one with no antes is pretty easy fold. and i have no arguments here.
-the post flop hand is a clear fold
July 3, 2010
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Hand 1: I fold pre. I don't call the shove.
Hand 2: I fold. We're dominated by every other Ace hand and all pocket pairs which rep a ton of his shoving range. If I decide to play my A2s I open shove into the blinds. But I probably fold pre since I don't want to open shove a crappy ace on my stack and I'm not callng a shove.
Hand 3: Pretty hand, but fold.
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