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I keep finding myself in this spot, what line do you take here?

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February 12, 2014 - 4:45 pm

PokerStars - $3+$0.30|200/400 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 14,907 (VPIP: 31.11, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 45)
UTG: 9,255 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 45)
UTG+1: 7,967
UTG+2: 4,775 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
MP: 12,612 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 8,385 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 18)
CO: 24,216 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 23)
BTN: 19,652 (VPIP: 57.78, PFR: 4.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
Hero (SB): 11,900

9 players post ante of 50, Hero posts SB 200, BB posts BB 400

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,050) Hero has  A

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls 400, MP calls 400, MP+1 calls 400, fold, BTN calls 400, [color=red]Hero ???

Hi guys, hoping for some view on what line we should be taking here as I've (weirdly) found myself in this spot a few times in the last week or so and I'm now questioning my play.

I wondered what others are doing when this happens?

It's probably obvious what I did but I'll share once there have been a few responses.

Thanks in advance

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February 12, 2014 - 4:46 pm

I obviously need to learn how to post too, man that looks awful 🙂

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February 12, 2014 - 6:09 pm

With just under 30bbs I’m leaning towards shoving all in here. It’s tempting to consider a 3bet but problem with that is 1) it actually looks stronger and 2) we often end up in a multiway pot OOP.

My read here is the players in general want to see a flop and pretty much will be willing to call with a wide range of hands when we raise they will be willing to call a ton. We miss the flop a lot and when we hit the A, K will kill our action.

I think the best way to maximize our hand is to shove. We don’t mind getting folds as we pick up a nice pot and we don’t mind being call by someone who over called with AJ, A10s or a pair that just can’t let it go. Worse hands also will show up by someone looking to gamble.

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February 12, 2014 - 6:10 pm

I would be raising to 900 if no-one had limped, but with limpers I would add a big bling to my raise per limper, so I would raise to about 2400.

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February 12, 2014 - 8:48 pm

Before reading the last post, I was thinking 2,500 here.

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February 13, 2014 - 3:23 am

Thanks guys for the initial views. As it was I shoved (which is what I tend to do here). If there were fewer limpers I would be raising standard 2x + a bb for each limper and maybe a bit more to compensate for oop.

My concerns in doing that with so many limpers are:
We’re committing 20% of our stack pre
If we pick up a caller, can we realistically narrow their range?
With a pot of over 5k (assuming 1 caller) any Cbet takes another 15-25% of our stack.
Other than an A or K high flop, what are we happy cbetting here? Low flops hit all those suited connectors and pairs looking for a cheap flop. T,J or Q high flops bit the weaker aces. I think we have to fire once oop most of the time and as soon as we’re played back at were done aren’t we? And we’ve given up somewhere between 30 and 50% of our chips in the process.

I guess shoving and losing has the same results, but you get some information out of it as well.

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February 13, 2014 - 5:34 am

Depending on the player, you can definately narrow his range here if you are called by just one player after betting 2400, after all they now also have to call a good chunk of their stack. The only player I would be really be worried about is the Utg, as I cant see any of the others trying to slow play a hand from their positions, with limpers.

It would depend on the player and the flop wether or not i continue bet, we can still afford a 3k+ cbet tho, and would still be left with an M of 6 if we cbet/fold.

While I have chips i'd much rather lose 50% of my chips, and have 2 solid bets, than 1 strong bet, which risks all our chips in 1 shot.

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February 13, 2014 - 7:40 am

Thanks Third@Eye.

UTG+2 called me with 4s4d in this instance wand we didn't improve. Looking back at the way the board runs out I'm not sure the result changes massively. The flop was 6sTd3s. I think I might peel against a cbet with 4's there. The turn is 5s which gives the villan up and down straight flush draw, so if i double barrell he's probably calling. The river is a brick for all draws but I'm not sure I'd triple barrell!!

I'll give raising a go in future over shoving!!

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