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I have no idea how to continue after 3betting and cbetting.
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January 13, 2013 - 6:43 pm
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Merge Network $20K Gtd – [Deep] No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600.00/t1200.00 Blinds + t120.00 – 8 players – View hand 2063449
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BTN: BB = 66.5, t79830
Hero (SB): BB = 72.7, t87278
BB: BB = 33.3, t39952
UTG: BB = 9.1, t10945
UTG+1: BB = 48.1, t57733
MP1: BB = 28.5, t34232
MP2: BB = 47.9, t57476
CO: BB = 58.0, t69565

Pre Flop: (t2760) Hero is SB with J of spades T of spades
5 folds, BTN raises to t2569.00, Hero raises to t6000.00, 1 fold, BTN calls t3431

Flop: (t14160) 8 of clubs 6 of diamonds 5 of clubs (2 players)
Hero bets t7500.00, BTN calls t7500

Turn: (t29160) A of hearts (2 players)

Hero?

 

Do I bet here? How much? This spot confuses the hell out of me.

 

BTN is a good reg. He is tight, but has stolen 4 out of 9 times from the button because myself and the BB have been tight.

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January 13, 2013 - 6:57 pm
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much rather flat pre, this is a weird barrel card for our range, we do have a ton of strong Ax in our range but our 3betting value range gets thinner since we wouldnt be betting 99-KK here in his eyes, I think we can bet/fold 11111-13333 ish.

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Having come this far I think you have to fire the second barrell on this turn, if you meet any further resistance just give it up.

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I dont like flatting pre with this hand in the SB because it sets BB up for a squeeze. I like that better in smaller games where they wont take those spots. I would do it here with a hand I'd be willing to call off with like AJs.

 

The problem I have been running into is barreling here a lot and they flat instead of call. At that point, I would be pretty exploitable if I am not willing to shove the river (which I am not). Yesterday a guy called my turn barrel with just a gut shot. Luckily he gave up on the river and my A high beat his T high. If he had bet like 1/10th pot on that river, I probably would have folded because their were tons of things he could have on that board that beat A high.

 

I guess Im either going to have to

1. Flat and risk getting squeezed (but what if my hand doesnt play great post flop like ATo?)

2. Not barrel unimproved (seems weak)

3. Check fold air hands on the turn. Check shove the turn with some draws and made hands. (is this merging?) VB or bluff river if they check behind.

 

In smaller games, I will try 1 with hands that play well post. I feel like I would need to check raise some flops though to take control of the hand.

 

2 doesnt seem profitable at all if they know we are at war with them. I dont think I could do unless the situation was extreme.

 

I kinda of like 3 on paper so I am going to test it out in some medium stake games and report back.

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i understand that when he has stolen a ton it is tempting to fight back but just by looking at the stacksizes im sure you will find easier spots on this table to get chips

i see no need to 3b pre oop that deep it just gets so many times unnecessary hard to play imo

keeping the pot smaller by flatting pre and going on from there would be my road,

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January 14, 2013 - 10:35 pm
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we wont get squeezed anywhere near enough to worry about at this eff stack, plus we can back raise a bunch of stuff in our flatting range.

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loxxii said:

I dont like flatting pre with this hand in the SB because it sets BB up for a squeeze.

 

You say the BB has been tight so do you think he is capable of a light squeeze if you flat??

Lets say button 4-bets then you have to 5-bet or fold (flattin is an option but not great oop) and this isnt a hand you want to fold to just a button steal as it has alot of equity and 5-bet might work but you might end up wasting alot of chips on a hand that plays well.

 

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Good point. I may try my plan as an aggressive option, but if the BB is tight and he is, I probably shouldnt be worried so much about him squeezing. It's good to have two plans that you can use depending on the players you are facing. I like the idea of having two or more “standard” lines.

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The problem with 3betting lightish with these stack sizes is that the OR just never folds here, because we are quite deep and it is button vs sb. So sometimes you are bloating the pot and making it harder for yourself. The advantage of course is that you get the betting lead so you can take down a lot of flops, but given he can play deep in position against us it makes it hard. So I think I defend here out of pos, but don’t mind 3betting it if it was say cutoff vs button because then we get to play in pos

As played I think you should bet fold around half pot. Gotta rep that ace.

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