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June 1, 2012
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This was a wierd shove from villian when so deep. I have notes on him saying “not stack aware,” and HM2 has him as a whale. He's got a very high vpip/pfr and this was only about 7 hands into HU. I have 100+ hands on him and tagged him as a big fish pretty early.
Is this an obv call? Cheers.
Cassava Poker $8.20 + $0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds – 2 players –
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): t322394 107.46 BBs
BTN/SB: t241606 80.54 BBs
Pre Flop: (t4500) Hero is BB with A
Q
BTN/SB raises to t6000, Hero raises to t15525, BTN/SB raises to t241306
January 15, 2013
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To me, if he's a fish do you really wan't to flip wiht him her if that is the case? If I know I am better than my opponent, I am typcially not getting it all in with him pre for this stack size when I know I will have much better spots to dominate him.
March 8, 2013
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Is this the first overshove you've seen today? If so, I agree with mike. If you have most information on what he does this with, I could maybe find a call, but even if he's doing this with the top 20% of the hands, you are only 58%, not great if you have a skill edge. If you have reason to remove QQ+, AQ+ from his range, it makes me much happier with a call, but I don't think that's necessarily true against this guy. Given the note he is stack-unaware, he may easily be doing this with AA, seeing you have shown strength and just wanting to get it in.
June 1, 2012
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Yep he’s been doing this with 44+ and even k10o at one stage(from memory.) But that was midway. At the time I though, AQ hu all in=easy call. But didn’t consider the blinds properly until after:)
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December 6, 2012
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Given your read, I probably would call after 3bing him. Have to disagree with Mark about folding if you know you have 58% equity – there's a lot of money already in the pot! However, if I knew he was prone to doing stuff like this, I think I wouldn't 3b him in the first place. I may post some HU MTT videos at some point, I have some pretty dramatic examples of how my play varies if I'm playing a weak player or a strong player. In the WCOOP HU I played a really weak player in Round 3 and my 3b% was like 5. The next round I played Eugene Katchalov and my 3b% was around 30. Big preflop pots really benefit the weaker player, is what I'm saying 🙂
March 8, 2013
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Sorry for the confusion. I'm not advocating that you fold if you know you are 58%. I'm saying 58% is probably a best case scenario. That's if he takes this line with PokerStove top 20% of hands, 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. I think this is extremely optimistic, and just used it as a best-case scenario. If he is instead doing it with a reasonable 4betting range, and just sizing wrong, say 99+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo, you are 50%, which is a call cEV, but may be a fold depending on your skill edge. If he only makes this play cause he has a monster, say JJ+,AJs+,AQo+,KQo, you are 42.5%. Your pot odds require about 47% cEV, so it really depends how you weight different possibilities for what range this guy is shoving. Given OP's new information about what he's done this with before, I do think the first range is more reasonable than when I first posted. Given this info, I would call here, but to answer OP's question, no I definitely don't this it's an obvious call.
June 1, 2012
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Foucault said:
Big preflop pots really benefit the weaker player, is what I'm saying 🙂
Thanks Andrew. This never occurred to me and will make a big difference in my decisions from now on. Any videos that you are able to produce regarding HU play would be great as I've always struggled with this 🙂
August 23, 2012
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Check out husng.com if you want to get better at HU for the final two spots of MTTs.
June 1, 2012
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markconkle said:
Sorry for the confusion. I'm not advocating that you fold if you know you are 58%. I'm saying 58% is probably a best case scenario. That's if he takes this line with PokerStove top 20% of hands, 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo. I think this is extremely optimistic, and just used it as a best-case scenario. If he is instead doing it with a reasonable 4betting range, and just sizing wrong, say 99+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo, you are 50%, which is a call cEV, but may be a fold depending on your skill edge. If he only makes this play cause he has a monster, say JJ+,AJs+,AQo+,KQo, you are 42.5%. Your pot odds require about 47% cEV, so it really depends how you weight different possibilities for what range this guy is shoving. Given OP's new information about what he's done this with before, I do think the first range is more reasonable than when I first posted. Given this info, I would call here, but to answer OP's question, no I definitely don't this it's an obvious call.
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Cheers Mark,
Some good points!
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