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May 27, 2013
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Two Sundays ago I played in the $330 Sunday Special No-Limit tournament at Mohegan. The tournament runs once month and had 132 players this time. I tripled up early and had a stack throughout.
At this point there are 26 players left, 15 spots cash. I had been at table number 4 the entire tournament and was just moved to this new one when it got down to 3 tables. This hand is against a villan I know nothing about. He is likely in his 40s and is wearing a hat and sunglasses while covering his mouth with his shirt everytime he is in a hand. He also has a notebook that he is looking at often, at this point I think it is some sort of push/fold chart or other type of cheat sheet (at 2 tables I was seated next to him and was able to see that he was actually keeping track of how often everyone opened or entered pots, like a personal live HUD – I did not know this at the time).
Anyway, the blinds and antes are 500/4k/8k. I have 230k and open from the HJ to 20k with KsQs. Villan has 180k and flats on the button. Flop comes AsJ5. I c-bet 40k, villan flats. Turn comes 3s and I pick up the nut flush draw to go with my gutterball. I have 170k, villan has 120k.
What should I do?
July 3, 2010
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Ha. That's pretty gross. People's first instinct might be a jam because we picked up decent equity but that seems pretty meh since what's the villain flatting the flop with to begin with?
Were you always making it 2.5 pre? I know live sizing is different.
With your stack size I'd probably be looking to raise smaller so we can cbet smaller and not get into weird SPR spots.
Hm… weird turn spot for sure. A jam will fold Jx but I'm not really sure how many of those he actually shows up with since we've got blockers to some of the better combos of them.
June 11, 2012
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lets talk about some general points:
1.) 29BB i would reduce my raise size to 2x and not 2.5x
2.) A high and dry are the boards that hit middle aged live MTT player a lot. So those boards i stay away from bluff cbetting in this hand it might be bit differen as we have a gutterball to the nuts and backdoor nut FD
3.) Cbet sizing is way to big. I think 1/3 to 1/2 is more then enough to get it in by the river if we hit. Vs some villains its actually good to bet big here with 2pair+ as they are not folding Ax on this board
as played i check the turn and evaluate. I think you can call if he bets around 1/2pot and shove if you hit your draw or fold if you miss. This saves you 60k if you miss. dont think that you have much FEQ here with a c/shove
the turn clearly shows that the mistake was made on the flop with the big bet. did you bet smaller on the flop you could double barrel this turn or check/shove with some FEQ
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May 27, 2013
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I just double checked the structure sheet to see what the ante was that level because I remember thinking there was more in the pot than there was in my previous post. The ante was in fact 1k, so we were playing 1k/4k/8k 9 handed. I had been raising between 2.25x and 2.5x throughout. I definitely see the reasoning for opening smaller and cbetting smaller, especially for c-betting smaller in this spot. I think that is the real problem I had here.
On the turn my thought process involved deciding whether to jam, make a smallish blocker bet in an attempt to see the river cheap, or to check and re-evaluate depending on what he did. I decided against jamming pretty quickly because I felt that this deep in the tournament, and with no reads, I couldn't put the villan on an airball float. The fact that he didn't raise my flop bet I took to mean stregnth and felt like he had a pretty big hand, maybe something like A5 or AJ. At worst I figured he had an A, with a small percentage chance he had a J. I though about sending out 40k as a blocker, but decided it was way to easy for him to jam on me and I didn't want to call it off or have to lay down to the jam. I ended up deciding to check and re-evaluate. At this point he bet 65K. There was about 140k in the pot. I had 170k and he had 55k after making the bet. I decided to peel the river and jam if I got there knowing he can't fold anything but a total airball (which I don't think he ever has). I am not a master of odds yet but I knew approximately what percentage of the time I'll get there and thought I was getting a good price to peel.
What do you think about how I played the turn?
May 20, 2013
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as I read the “turn” post, I was thinking that he flatted with an Ace in position and then calls the flop bet, thinking to himself that he'll let you hang yourself. You can check and then see what he bets, but if he floated to bet you'll have to go completly on bet sizing. If you put out a blocker bet that is the same size or less than your flop bet, its a dead giveaway for the block (the pot is $130k or so now). I dont like the jam as he calls with almost all hands not air (and is ahead).
Right or not, without a read I am probably going to check (I have $170k left), but if he bets like $80k I am essentially getting it in or folding. Otherwise, I turn my hand face up and dont get paid off on a spade (no implied odds).
I have folding all this equity, but I made the pot so big I am forced to decide if (assuming he has an ace), 11 outs (flush + Ts) is enough to shove a river.
===now I read the remainder of the post===
really he could have any Ace here. Honestly, I hate the peel. Either you hit and really you paid $65k to win $200k ($65k + $140k) which is around 3 to 1, but you paid it as a 4:1 dog OR you dont hit it and cant bet and cant call a bet.
[is all my math correct?]
I still says its either jam or fold the turn (as played).
May 27, 2013
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Im not sure what the exact math was but I knew it wasnt quite right odds wise to call, if anyone could work it out I would appreciate it. But at the time, part of my thought process was: I had an above average stack going into the hand. If I hit my peel and get those chips I will be at least top 3ish in chips, and chip leader at my table. With only 10 spots left before the money this will put me in a great position to crush people for a few levels. Getting those chips will ensure a very deep run and if I brick I'll still have about 10bb to grind with.
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