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April 16, 2013
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I've been in a couple of spots recently with AK and QQ in early stages of Mtts. Basically I'm sitting with 55bb with QQ in EP facing an 11bb 3bet. Obviously QQ is a monster but if I 4bet shove or 4bet-call I don't expect to see JJ, so were essentially flipping at best with AK. I dont like flatting and check-folding Kxx or Axx boards but I guess its better than 4bet shoving 60bb….
What's your play when you get 3bet for 1/6 your stack, early stages with QQ, AK…. play for stacks? play it slow?
Hand 1
$3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50)
9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: comeecome88 (3162 in chips) Seat 2: n00it_geluk (2806 in chips) Seat 3: mjdsk8 (2765 in chips) Seat 4: saulock (3112 in chips) Seat 5: StarlingC (3117 in chips) Seat 6: $VETIK-D (4795 in chips) Seat 7: ximik42 (3012 in chips) Seat 8: Lebowsky_bh (2913 in chips) Seat 9: balzacm (2689 in chips) ximik42: posts small blind 25 Lebowsky_bh: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mjdsk8 [Ad Kh] balzacm: folds comeecome88: folds n00it_geluk: folds mjdsk8: raises 150 to 200 saulock: folds StarlingC: raises 425 to 625 $VETIK-D: folds ximik42: folds Lebowsky_bh: folds
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March 21, 2014
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This early I don't think I'd 4-bet shove, depends on the villains tendencies tho. He could be doing this with 8's+, AQ+, if he 3bets light include a KQ, KJ perhaps.
I'd probably call & re-evaluate if he's on the tighter side, 4bet light if he's on the wider side & prolly get it in vs a fish.
March 11, 2014
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I’d probably 4 bet fairly large with QQ and call off to a shove and call with AK to try and trap if an A comes on the flop. Am I doing it wrong?
February 20, 2013
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Readless in $3 mtt I'm getting both in.
At higher buyins, with a HUD read that villain is tight, both become call/play postflop situationsfor me. In the grey zones I'm jamming the AK more often than the QQ because of the blockers and the benefit of getting to see all 5 cards. When I flat the QQ I don't always give up to one overcard either.
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December 6, 2012
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Start by putting your opponent on a range. IMO most big 3bs vs EP raises are pretty strong, so I wouldn't usually be eager to get all in pre with either of these hands. The AKo might even be a fold, unless you think your opponent would play AQ this way, because even when you hit it's pretty hard to get paid off. I mean, you won't win much from QQ or KK on an Axx flop, but you can lose a lot on AQx or Kxx.
What don't you like about calling with QQ and then check-folding an Axx flop?
April 16, 2013
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I don't mind check folding really. I prefer calling preflop to 4bet folding and 4bet calling in this spot so it is the default option. I remember thinking at the time that if he had JJ or a random bluff that he could c-bet Axx and win even when I was ahead.
Looking back though, I have Ak in my range so this isn't an issue against my whole range and JJ is a very small part of his range. I probably post too much after sessions when I'm tired and look back and disagree with some of my comments.
I do think Ak is more difficult to play than QQ though in this situation as we miss a lot and never get paid when we hit. What do you think of 4bet-folding or just folding our AKo combos and flatting AKs? I guess that the problem with 4bet-foldings is players bluff frequency is much lower pre-ante.
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December 6, 2012
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michae1di11on said:
I don't mind check folding really. I prefer calling preflop to 4bet folding and 4bet calling in this spot so it is the default option. I remember thinking at the time that if he had JJ or a random bluff that he could c-bet Axx and win even when I was ahead.
Looking back though, I have Ak in my range so this isn't an issue against my whole range and JJ is a very small part of his range. I probably post too much after sessions when I'm tired and look back and disagree with some of my comments.
I do think Ak is more difficult to play than QQ though in this situation as we miss a lot and never get paid when we hit. What do you think of 4bet-folding or just folding our AKo combos and flatting AKs? I guess that the problem with 4bet-foldings is players bluff frequency is much lower pre-ante.
You're supposed to get bluffed sometimes. As long as you are right that he'll bet enough Ax that you can't profitably call, then it doesn't matter that you sometimes fold the best hand. Look at it as an opportunity to make a good decision and save money against a lot of hands that would have sucked out on you had you gotten it in pre.
Also, think about this in the context of AK. You say you never make money when you hit, but why not? If you are afraid of your opponent bluffing you when you have QQ on an Axx flop, then your AK is profiting from those same bluffs. Also flatting AK may be more likely to keep AQ in Villain's range, in which case you can get paid quite handsomely on an Axx flop.
Finally, there's no law that says you have to fold AK when you miss. If you're still ahead of his betting range (ie you think he'd bet hands like AQ), you're allowed to call. In fact you usually should on a flop like 932.
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