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Similar stuff happens in other tournies.
For example: I have 14BBs on the button, have qko, I raise to 2.3BB from the button. The big blind has around 16BB, shoves allin, I have to call, he has A6o, I lose the race.
The question is whether I should call off my whole stack or fold to those 3bet allins?
Or
I just open ship my 13BB
Full Tilt Poker The Fifty-Fifty No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1200/t2400 Blinds + t300 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
bearisdriving (SB): BB = 29.0, t69483
mordi20 (BB): BB = 25.8, t62021
sudzy1 (UTG): BB = 18.8, t45050
Princess Nataly (UTG+1): BB = 23.3, t55876
gunner3152 (UTG+2): BB = 90.2, t216456
lmallin85 (MP1): BB = 27.1, t65093
bigblufstein (MP2): BB = 17.1, t41142
McGobbler (CO): BB = 21.0, t50390
pokercj95 (BTN): BB = 24.6, t59141
Pre Flop: (t6300) pokercj95 is BTN with A
6
6 folds, pokercj95 raises to t5500, 1 fold, mordi20 raises to t61721 all in, pokercj95 calls t53341 all in
Flop: (t121582) 5 J
K
Turn: (t121582) T
River: (t121582) 3
—–>I cannot open shove from btn with this hand, since I have too many blinds. And I know mordi2's shove range is pretty wide.
What is the best strategy to deal with it?
I would be shoving everything I decided to play at 15 big blinds and in some instances I would be shoving up to 20 big blinds. You want to use your fold equity, your not looking to race you just want to take down the blind and antes and preserve your stack. Plus around 10 bigs we invest too much of our stack to get away from it so shoving is the optimal play. Im not a pro but that my two cents.
pokeryjj said:
Similar stuff happens in other tournies.
For example: I have 14BBs on the button, have qko, I raise to 2.3BB from the button. The big blind has around 16BB, shoves allin, I have to call, he has A6o, I lose the race.
The question is whether I should call off my whole stack or fold to those 3bet allins?
Or
I just open ship my 13BB
Full Tilt Poker The Fifty-Fifty No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1200/t2400 Blinds + t300 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edgebearisdriving (SB): BB = 29.0, t69483
mordi20 (BB): BB = 25.8, t62021
sudzy1 (UTG): BB = 18.8, t45050
Princess Nataly (UTG+1): BB = 23.3, t55876
gunner3152 (UTG+2): BB = 90.2, t216456
lmallin85 (MP1): BB = 27.1, t65093
bigblufstein (MP2): BB = 17.1, t41142
McGobbler (CO): BB = 21.0, t50390
pokercj95 (BTN): BB = 24.6, t59141Pre Flop: (t6300) pokercj95 is BTN with A
6 folds, pokercj95 raises to t5500, 1 fold, mordi20 raises to t61721 all in, pokercj95 calls t53341 all inFlop: (t121582) 5
Turn: (t121582) T
River: (t121582) 3
—–>I cannot open shove from btn with this hand, since I have too many blinds. And I know mordi2's shove range is pretty wide.
What is the best strategy to deal with it?
am i looking at this wrong??? if you have KQo didn't you win this hand? anyways….how do you know his shove range is pretty wide? This is a complete judgement call…just generaly here is how i look at it…You raised first…you being the raiser with only 15 bb's or so, and depending on your read and how competent he is, he may or may not be shoving completely light. Unless he has seen you raise/fold with this stack size before. Therefore i think his range has potentially tightened up in this particular spot.
oh i'm sorry, i thought you were mordi _ in that case forget the first two sentences. LOL LOL
May 26, 2010
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JDOG1645 said:
I would be shoving everything I decided to play at 15 big blinds and in some instances I would be shoving up to 20 big blinds. You want to use your fold equity, your not looking to race you just want to take down the blind and antes and preserve your stack. Plus around 10 bigs we invest too much of our stack to get away from it so shoving is the optimal play. Im not a pro but that my two cents.
+1
Yeah under 20 BBs I am shoving anything I play. Unless my table is super moronic then I may 2.2x with my premiums to invite a repop.
June 11, 2010
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A lot of what I am doing depends on my stack size as well as the stacks that are yet to act behind me. I agree with most of the other guys from the button with 20 or less BB's I am shoving a pretty wide range (not ATC, but probably top 80%). I may be giving up some equity, but that is a habit I carry from my SnG days where guys expect the ATC shove so this gives me a slight leg up if they start calling wide. As far as situations like above where I have >20bb's it will depend on the stacks yet to act. In a lot of cases I will look and if the SB or BB (in the case where you are on the button) have less than 20 bb's I will just shove (regardless of my stack) to take the play away from them, that way they either have to call off their stack or fold, there is no room to try to push me off mine. I will do this not with ATC, but a decent range (55+, AJo+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs+, that sort of thing). If they have > 20BB's I will tend to raise/fold my weaker holdings to a 3bet all-in, or just open fold. I don't think there is anything wrong with occasionally passing buttons up if it doesn't look right, it goes a long way to looking tight and giving you opportunities in other places to make moves.
As far as your opening question, KQo with 16bb's and I am the first to open, I agree get it in, you got called and lost, don't get hung up on being results oriented, the play was correct and you will get folds more often than not and when you do get a call you will win enough of the time to be +EV in the long run.
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