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January 15, 2014
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Hey Guys…at no point did i have a clue where i was at. I probably made a mistake with every move. Would love opinions on how others would play this hand. The only read i had on him was that he was quite active, but it was early and the hands i had seen, he wasnt playing crazy.
Poker Stars $6.39+$0.61 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 6 players – View hand 2460165
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
rüpel014 (BB): t1470 73.50 BBs
mc gyver 208 (UTG): t1590 79.50 BBs
Hero (MP): t1175 58.75 BBs
SAMMcGEE777 (CO): t1745 87.25 BBs
sickbay0 (BTN): t1510 75.50 BBs
dali.borek93 (SB): t1510 75.50 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP with 9
9
mc gyver 208 calls t20, Hero raises to t80, SAMMcGEE777 calls t80, 3 folds, mc gyver 208 calls t60
Flop: (t270) 7
6 K (3 players)
mc gyver 208 checks, Hero bets t180, SAMMcGEE777 calls t180, mc gyver 208 folds
Turn: (t630) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, SAMMcGEE777 bets t100, Hero calls t100
River: (t830) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t815 all in, SAMMcGEE777 calls t815
Final Pot: t2460
Hero shows 9 9 (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
SAMMcGEE777 shows A J (a flush, Ace high)
SAMMcGEE777 wins t2460
December 24, 2013
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okay dude preflop you're totally fine as all you did was isolate a limper. you could also limp behind if you want to set it up cheaply. the reason you would iso over limp is that if you get 1 or 2 callers, you can also cbet and win the hand. you won't necessarily have a worse or better hand if that route takes place, but you win the preflop bets.
once we get to the flop, however, it's time really to just muck. against 3 other opponents, the chances of something having the Ad or Kx go up tremendously (they go up around 3x because three opponents…not exactly 3x here because card removal and different ranges preflop) they're ahead of you and you're oop vs 2 of the 3 opponents. basically your hand looks decent but you aren't able to realize whatever equity you have in the hand because you have a marginal hand and anyone remaining to act gets to just play their own strength. like you can get more complex and c/r some people who would bet with Q/Jd but it's something i'd very rarely do and against very different set up in hand.
January 20, 2014
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Hey manxmann, thanks for the post. Here's a little tip when posting hands. If you could hold off putting down the results until you get a few replies, whether we want to admit it or not, seeing the results will influence our responses. Maybe if you were to post this one in the future it might look something like this:
Poker Stars $6.39+$0.61 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 6 players – View hand 2460165
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
rüpel014 (BB): t1470 73.50 BBs
mc gyver 208 (UTG): t1590 79.50 BBs
Hero (MP): t1175 58.75 BBs
SAMMcGEE777 (CO): t1745 87.25 BBs
sickbay0 (BTN): t1510 75.50 BBs
dali.borek93 (SB): t1510 75.50 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP with 9 9
mc gyver 208 calls t20, Hero raises to t80, SAMMcGEE777 calls t80, 3 folds, mc gyver 208 calls t60
Flop: (t270) 7 6 K (3 players)
mc gyver 208 checks, Hero bets t180, SAMMcGEE777 calls t180, mc gyver 208 folds
Turn: (t630) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, SAMMcGEE777 bets t100, Hero calls t100
River: (t830) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t815 all in, SAMMcGEE777 ???
By not giving us results, I think you will get better feedback in the long run. 
August 16, 2013
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A good habit to get into before putting money in the pot is to ask yourself, “what better hands are folding, and what worse hands are calling”. This is just a very fundamental level of analysis that should become second nature before you start thinking about other elements of the bet-or-don't-bet decision (e.g., how the flop texture fits with your hand to give you good barreling opportunities, whether your opponent(s) may be able to get you to fold out your equity by bluff- or semi-bluff raising, etc.).
Here there just aren't that many worse hands that will call. Hands with overs to your 9s and one diamond are actually ahead of you (around 52.5/47.5). I'm actually having a hard time stretching my imagination enough to find any worse hand that's calling a single bet – maybe 88 with the 8d? Even then you're only a 57/42 favorite over that, and there are just as many combos of those are there are of TT with the Td which is ahead of you 95/5. Therefore, you can't bet for value here because there are so few, if any, worse hands that will call.
So can you bluff? A successful bluff means you get a better hand to fold. The Kx hands that have no diamonds aren't going to fold and might actually raise to charge anyone with single diamonds to draw out on them. So then you're left with the narrow range of TT-QQ with no diamonds, which probably won't be able to continue, but any of the TT-QQ with a single diamond will certainly call one bet, and random Adx hands. With three players in the pot, you really can't expect all of them to either have air or TT-QQ with no diamonds. Since there are so few better hands that will fold and you are four handed, this is a really bad spot to bluff.
Faced with those parameters, I'd be looking to keep the pot as small as possible and give up to aggression. You will rarely be making a bad fold here but if you put money in the pot you will be bad an awful lot of the time.
One last thought – I'm not sure what the purpose of your river shove was, but the same principle applies: if he's not going to fold better or call with worse, putting money in the pot is a mistake. Live and learn!
January 15, 2014
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Thanks for all the feedback. I think my brain explosion on the river was due to his min bet on the turn. When he did that I was convinced he had one diamond in his hand and just thought if no diamond comes on the river I can shove and try and push him off any pair other than probably a K. I think the main thing I need to learn is to think about my cbets more. Considering board texture and number of opponents. That’s what seems to have sucked me in to playing this hand further.
Thanks again, it was an embarrassing hand to post but glad I did.
August 16, 2013
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Spewing is the key to learning!
December 24, 2013
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when you say you're shoving river to get him off pairs other than a King, think that through again.if youre on a board like AK272 and you have a K, you're not trying to get everyone to fold anything worse than a K if you bet. you're trying to get called by worse. so if you don't think you can get worse to call, or better to fold, don't think about it that way. when you bet the river, if he has a pair (i'm not saying he can or does, just like…youre at the river, actions all the same, except you now know he has 2nd pair on that board.), you wouldn't want him to fold to your bet.
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December 6, 2012
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Matt Hunt, Nate Meyvis, and I discuss this hand on the latest Thinking Poker Podcast: …..t/?p=10107
January 15, 2014
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Hey Guys at Thinking Poker…thanks for choosing my hand to review! almost crashed my car when i was listening on the way home from work and you said my name!
While obviously not the best hand i have ever played, i appreciated your insights and thought Nate's final comment about me betting because i did not want to face a bet on the river after checking was pretty spot on. Something to think about when i face similar situations in the future.
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