View Plans & Pricing

If you are signed in and are seeing this message, please be sure you have selected a user name in My Profile. The forum requires it.
A A A
Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
sp_TopicIcon
how to approach our 4-bet range with a balance strategy?
folding_aces_pre_yo
High Stakes Mario Kart Propping
Members
Forum Posts: 1133
Member Since:
September 14, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
January 23, 2015 - 4:24 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0

Hey Hey!!

Example:

 

blinds – $75/$150 (25 antes)

 

folds to hero , opens with A5s from the CO  makes it $300, V on the button 3-bets $750 , action on hero?

 

total pot = $750 (including blinds and antes and hero's raise) 

 

now if we fold to much or we fold way to little we will be unbalanced, so we pretty much want to fold the right amount. Now how do we figure out we arent folding too much or too little?

 

well i can answer that , since I've been studying this a little bit. So how we figure out if we fold to much is based upon villian and the risk reward, so for example if we're folding enough were he just shows immediate profit of his 3-bet then he could just 3-bet you with 72o here, clearly then hero has a very bad strategy! so thats something we have to make sure we don’tdo , which is fold to his 3-bet too much. so how do we figure out to much? well all we have to do is see how often he needs us to fold to show immediate profit and just not let him do that. 

 

so going back to my example above , v is risking $750 to win $1,500, which is 50%,  there's also 2 guys behind us that offers us protection so its really 55% o (roughly), So we can fold 55% of the time and still be fine here.

 

so my question is what do we play back with then?

 

let's say we are opening 30% of hands , 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

 

so if we're opening 30% we can fold everything but the X % , im trying to figure out what that X is?

 

once we figure out that , we can find out the % of hands we can play back with. After we've found out that , we then need to find out which hands will be in that top percentage that we play back with.

 

any help will be great…

 

cheers.

Foucault

TPE Pro
Members
Forum Posts: 2067
Member Since:
December 6, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
January 24, 2015 - 10:43 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

If you were going to strictly 4bet or fold, x would be 45% if V is laying himself 1:1 and you expect the blinds to 4bet collectively about 5%. The more you call, the more you need to up that number, because Villain's equity with even his weakest hands will be greater than 0 if you let him see a flop.

folding_aces_pre_yo
High Stakes Mario Kart Propping
Members
Forum Posts: 1133
Member Since:
September 14, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
January 25, 2015 - 3:44 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0

hey 🙂

 

how did u get 45%? 

 

what if we were going to 4-bet shove? instead of 4bet/f.

 

also i dont understand what u mean by ” the more you call, the more you need to up that number” ? 

Foucault

TPE Pro
Members
Forum Posts: 2067
Member Since:
December 6, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
January 25, 2015 - 9:42 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

You determined that Villain would need to succeed 50% of the time to break even if he realized no postflop equity, and gave a 5% chance of the blinds getting involved, so 100 – 50 – 5 = 45% that you need to defend if you always raise or fold and thus prevent him from realizing any preflop equity. When you call, his EV with air hands is not 0, so he's not really indifferent to 3betting these if he knows he'll get folds 50% of the time plus sometimes get to play postflop.

folding_aces_pre_yo
High Stakes Mario Kart Propping
Members
Forum Posts: 1133
Member Since:
September 14, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
January 25, 2015 - 10:25 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0

ah okay 🙂

 

okay so if we're playing back with 45% ,  what % are we 4-betting from the 30% range that we're opening?

 

10% maybe?

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
30 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

bennymacca: 2616

Foucault: 2067

folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133

praetor: 1033

theginger45: 924

P-aire 146: 832

Turbulence: 768

The Riceman: 731

duggs: 591

florianm1: 588

Newest Members:

Tillery999

sdmathis89

ne0x00

adrianvaida2525

Anteeater

Laggro

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 24

Topics: 12705

Posts: 75003

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1063

Members: 12008

Moderators: 2

Admins: 5

Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos

Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1