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How Often Should I be 3-betting light in position in tight, Live MTT's
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November 21, 2015 - 4:22 am
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I just realized, I didn’t 3 bet light once tonight. Whenever somebody is raising where I play, they are raising with premiums. Barely anybody ever 3-bets at all, and pretty much nobody I have played with yet at Hollywood Park is capable of 3-betting light.

Should I mix this into my game and if so, after 2 hours of play, how many times should I attempt to 3-bet light in late position at a tight table where pretty much everybody is playing straightforward ABC poker?? 

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The purpose of 3-betting when you don’t think you’re add is to take advantage of the fact that your opponent has some incentive to fold to your 3-bet. Against players who never fold to 3-bets, you have no reason to 3-bet light. 

Also, if there are very few hands you can 3bet for value, because your opponents’ opening ranges are so tight, then you aren’t going to have much room for light 3-bets.

In any event, you should think of it in terms of ranges, not number of times per hours. Against extremely tight players, for instance, the best 3-bettings hands are AA, KK, sometimes QQ, sometimes AK, and A5s. If you never get any of those hands, you might never 3-bet, and in fact there should be many nights when you don’t.

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November 21, 2015 - 10:51 am
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How did you pick A5s as your only light 3 bet?

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I appreciate that Foucault, that definitely makes sense, thanks. So I was right to not be 3-betting light because, pretty much nobody at the table is ever opening light and therefore makes it unlikely they will ever fold to a 3-bet. 

Here’s a question I have for that reasoning though. If my light 3-bet does get called and I am in position and heads up into the flop my opponents here are playing their cards pretty face- up. Most likely, A T and up and K T and up and pocket pairs JJ or better probably.

So if I am 3betting in position with say 89 suited and flop doesn’t hit their range it should be pretty easy for me to take it down unless they have an overpair. Thoughts??

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You’ve talked a lot about their preflop play, but how is their postflop play? Specifically, how do they play overpairs? When you flop two pair or a draw, you already have a general idea of what to do, but knowing whether they play overpairs differently from overcards (and how) can give you an advantage postflop that could give you a wider 3-bet range.

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smallcat66 said
How did you pick A5s as your only light 3 bet?

Blocker and surprisingly good equity vs strong ranges. Also AK functions, to some extent, as a “light” 3-bet, in the sense that it connects with boards that are bad for the pairs in your range and can bluff on boards that are good for your pairs.

The whole point of 3betting hands other than AA is to give your opponents a decision. If you only ever 3-bet extremely strong hands, they really don’t have tough decisions with hands like JJ or TT (even though some of them won’t have the discipline to let go of them). If you 3-bet too many weak hands, again, their decision is trivial (in the opposite direction). Your goal, pre- and post-flop, is to have ranges that will leave them scratching their heads. Unless, of course, you have some specific idea about how to exploit them.

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I play a lot of live tournaments in Vegas. Most of my opponents are not 3-betting light, so they generally give 3-bets from other people that they see as playing “solid” a lot of credit. They will generally give up too much before the flop, or give up easily if htey don’t hit the flop strong with a big overpair or set. When their opening ranges are heavy in strong aces and large pairs, I find 3-betting hands like KTo, or A4s that are too weak to call in position but have some blocker value to be profitable. Live 4-bets are rare and generally very strong, and when they call a 1/2 to 1/3 pot c-bet works very often.

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Yeah if you pay attention to sizing and what not, many of them will basically tell you when they don’t want to get 3-bet. 

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