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How do you play this OOP?
Maniackid11
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September 7, 2018 - 2:11 am
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WPN, 100/200 blinds, 20 ante No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 15,002 (75 bb)
BB: 7,335 (36.7 bb)
UTG+1: 1,265 (6.3 bb)
UTG+2: 4,910 (24.6 bb)
MP1: 2,148 (10.7 bb)
Hero (MP2): 14,178 (70.9 bb)
MP3: 2,831 (14.2 bb)
CO: 9,254 (46.3 bb)
BTN: 10,058 (50.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9 9
3 folds, Hero raises to 450, MP3 folds, CO calls 450, BTN calls 450, 2 folds

Flop: (1,830) 7 7 8 (3 players)
Hero bets 1,373, CO folds, BTN calls 1,373

Turn: (4,576) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets 3,432, BTN calls 3,432

River: (11,440) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets 8,580, BTN calls 4,783 and is all-in

Results: 21,006 pot
Final Board: 7 7 8 3 2
Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-10,058 net)
BTN showed A 7 and won 21,006 (10,948 net)

 

I guess I’m looking for fundamental errors? I think maybe sizing should be smaller in these situations? 25-35% leading to a bigger 50-75% river bet? I don’t think (yet anyway) that I would ever really play this hand differently other than fixing a few minor(or major) things but I’m def. looking forward to any advice. And, it’s 2am in New York. I am extremely tired from these last two 16 hour days. My thinking is clouded right now. Goodnight(or morning) TPE….did I just goodnight on a chat forum? Time for bed!laugh

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September 7, 2018 - 7:20 pm
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I just wrote a load of nonsense…i go to bed! Ill look again tomorrow!

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September 7, 2018 - 7:23 pm
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I know the feeling, Night man. Looking forward to hearing your response tomorrow.

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What hands were you hoping to get 3 streets of value from?  8x?  You block 89, you block the most obvious draw, 9T, and you aren’t doing so well against 87.  

Bet smaller on flop.  Your value targets are narrow, and you are OOP versus 2 callers whom this flop favors.

The turn is either a bet/fold, or check call, intending to check fold river.

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yeah basically A8, K8, Q8, J8, 98, 44-66. AQ, AK, KQ.

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This seems like a tough spot. During the entire runout you have an overpair to the board. So it’s difficult to believe you are behind at first. Given the strength he showed by calling your post-flop bet, does it make sense to slow down after that? Of course if you check the turn then villain completes the stop and go and then you aren’t sure if he has it or if he is bluffing because you showed weakness by checking. A-7, which he has, is your worst case scenario on this board. If he has a better pair then you he might have been scared of the two sevens on the flop (or not). The A-7 is the hand that flopped perfect. Should you be considering that heavily or is that a case of seeing monsters under the bed every time? You can’t view every flop as hitting your opponent perfectly every time or else you will never put a chip in the pot from this paralysis. Is this a cooler or should you have slowed down? Tough to say. If you slow down and he starts bettin it is tough to fold an overpair to the board. I would have had a rough time playing this hand. As previously written in this thread, smaller bet sizing makes sense.

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I think if I had to play this hand again, I would def. do some things differently. First, the fact that it’s a multi-way pot makes me change my mind in terms of how I played this hand. Second, I do think sizing is something I would consider. I think I like something around 875-950 on the flop better for a few reasons. I haven’t thought much about if I would change my betting from frontloading to backloading so when in doubt frontload I guess (bet flop that is). I think by making my sizing smaller to around 1/2 pot I am keeping in the hands that I want (8x hands). I think maybe even a check here would be another good option and let the BTN take the lead. So I would considering check/calling the flop and even check/calling the turn with the intentions of folding the river or even the turn depending on the size of the bets. But, if I still keep the lead, I think 1/2 pot is better, and then I have to decide if I am going to check turn bet river or bet turn check river. I like bet flop bet turn check river best, and then reevaluate on the river if villain bets. Because I do think that 8x is in his range, but 7x should also be in his range as well. What do you think about 1/2 pot on the flop then 3/4 pot on the turn/fold to a raise? I think by keeping the sizing small on the flop we keep all the hands in that we want and then making a bigger bet on the turn we induce our opponent to raise us which gives us a chance to really evaluate where we are in the hand. IDK, I’m still working on these kinds of spots. I think it would have been better head up. I played this hand ok I guess, but I think I could have played it better.

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If we checked flop instead, and villain took the lead I think I would have preferred that. Because if he has 7x, he could fire the flop at 1/2 pot thinking I will stay in with an over pair, small pkt pair, or over cards (even something like 67s where he has us crushed). So if we check call flop, that gives us more information when we check turn and villain bets (depending on his sizing). If villain bets more than 1/2 pot on the flop and more than 1/2 pot on the turn I think I like folding(although I wouldn’t really want to). or if villain bets 1/2 on the flop and 3/4 on the turn I def. like folding. If villain bets flop, checks turn bets river, I think I would even call there. Either way, poorly played by me.

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Maniackid11 said
If we checked flop instead, and villain took the lead I think I would have preferred that. Because if he has 7x, he could fire the flop at 1/2 pot thinking I will stay in with an over pair, small pkt pair, or over cards (even something like 67s where he has us crushed). So if we check call flop, that gives us more information when we check turn and villain bets (depending on his sizing). If villain bets more than 1/2 pot on the flop and more than 1/2 pot on the turn I think I like folding(although I wouldn’t really want to). or if villain bets 1/2 on the flop and 3/4 on the turn I def. like folding. If villain bets flop, checks turn bets river, I think I would even call there. Either way, poorly played by me.  

I think playing middle pairs post flop is one of the most difficult aspects of poker for people in study mode. As I get deeper into the University videos I hope there is a section on this.

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