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There was an interesting spot in the 5r series (part 2) with Hagbard Celine (time mark 9:40). Hero and villain were 40bb deep and villain opened to just a bit over 2xbb from UTG. Hero had 66 on the button and Hagbard mentioned that a flat here is bad when your are only 40bb deep.
Until now I've had this “10 times the original raise” rule where I need to have at least 10 times the raise amount in my stack effective .. the chances for hitting your set ar 8:1 .. but you have to factor in the times when you don't get villain's stack in or when he flopped an even better hand – hence the 10x stack and not 8x. Going by the 10x rule, setmining with 40bb effective seems pretty standard. Anyone know why this should be bad?
Just noticed another spot in Wein's latest video “Wein’s 2nd Sunday Million Final Table (Part 2)” at timecode 10:00
UTG limps with 148k at 2k/4k and Wein folds 33 in LP with 85k saying that he can't really setmine. Don't really know why we can't setmine here…
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check out Panda's theory video on pairs. I don't remember the exact ratio he gave but it was closer to 20-1 ( or even above) because you get paid off so infrequently.
it also varies greatly against different player types and whether you are in or out of position.
for example, i want to be deeper against a more aggressive opponent who is capable of barreling because his range to open raise is wider, so he's going to have a hand he's willing to stack off with less often and make me fold the best hand too often postflop.
that leads to another point: all pairs aren't created equal. i'm more pure setmining with the 66, so am more careful about having proper implied odds than with, say, even 77 but certainly 88-TT which are hands that you'll often yourself in spots with ~30BB where you're not comfortable 3b/calling PF, but can flat because you don't always need to flop a set to win.
certainly in the example you give in wein's video where he has ~20BB and 33 overlimping there is just god awful. i mean, you really couldn't have too many worse hands to overlimp there than 33 (having an overlimp range there in general is bad).
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