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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 809375659
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 809375659 *****
$25/$50 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #76583871 $4.50 + $0.50 – Table #7 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: dzikicortez ( $9,916 )
Seat 2: adari37 ( $1,344 )
Seat 3: BJlacTeJluH ( $6,541 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $10,222 )
Seat 5: stefjenner ( $5,150 )
Seat 6: grekzor ( $4,181 )
Seat 7: zhzhzh10 ( $6,964 )
Seat 9: reini1704 ( $6,389 )
Seat 10: HappyHils ( $4,690 )
grekzor posts small blind [$25]
zhzhzh10 posts big blind [$50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ J
, A
]
reini1704 calls [$50]
HappyHils folds
dzikicortez folds
adari37 folds
BJlacTeJluH folds
london_ace raises [$181]
stefjenner folds
grekzor folds
zhzhzh10 folds
reini1704 calls [$131]
** Dealing flop ** [ 6, A
, 3] $437
reini1704 checks
london_ace bets [$218]
reini1704 calls [$218]
** Dealing turn ** [ 8
] $873
reini1704 checks
london_ace bets [$436]
reini1704 calls [$436]
** Dealing river ** [ 7]
reini1704 checks
london_ace checks
reini1704 shows [ Jd, Kd ]
london_ace shows [ Jh, As ]
reini1704 collected [ $1,745 ]
hey
no reads
should my sizing be bigger to get value from weaker Ax and flush draws?
cheers.
December 30, 2015
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I think so.
– A lot of people make the mistake of counting two streets for pot odds
– A lot of people overestimate implied odds, and when combined with a cheaper price, will call.
– A lot of people will call almost anything on the flop since it is cheaper in real terms than a turn bet and floating is all the rage.
– Half pot or less sized bets are simply less scary and so require less thinking to click through a draw.
I like giving a worse price the whole way. At least 65%-70% of the pot. Probably $315 on the flop. I tend to bet in this sizing regardless, when heads-up, with top pair or continuing, though. I’d at least click up over half pot. A little more on the flop also makes the turn bet a bit bigger which could make him think harder. E.g…
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to H [ J, A]
…
H raises [$181]
V calls [$131]
** Dealing flop ** [ 6, A, 3] $437
V checks
H bets [$315]
V calls [$315]
** Dealing turn ** [ 8 ] $1067
V checks
H bets [$735]
I have to ask the reverse question though. Taking this line do you think I am pricing out some value? I just think on a board like this, post flop, a flush draw or weak ace are probably most likely. I feel a weak ace will continue calling, a flush is getting a terrible price and I can still fold to a set or two-pair c/r (which I think is less likely with each street, but still not uncommon).
I’m curious, if there was no diamond on the river what action would you take?
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August 25, 2012
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I’d go bigger on turn just simply because your range is slightly more polarized after you’ve barreled the flop. Not too big though, 60-65% of pot seems fine.
I don’t think it’s a big point of concern, though – I think you’re being a little results-oriented to be honest. If you really, truly weren’t focused on results, you could have left off the part where we find out that villain sucked out and made a flush.
It’s possible that on some level, you’re asking if your bet sizing is too small because the idea that you made a mistake might actually be more palatable than the idea that you played it fine and villain got lucky.
June 3, 2015
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i hadnt even looked at the result until after i read what ginger said, and i agree with him tbth . You played it fine buddy , i would change the pre iso sizing .
Limpers limp because they want to see a cheap flop , right?? usualy..somtimes they limp AKs AQs, AA KK but majority of the time its junk, but they limp because they dont want to get 3bet and have to pay alotfor draws and stuff . .and ve decided when i do iso to make it the size as if i was 3betting , that way their pairs for setmining pay, and flush/straight draws all pay the right amount ! HA
so i would make it 250 or 300 pre , depending on position most of the time , say if was OTB i might make it 250 but when in EP i dont want any callers.
Obv when deeper into tourney your not as deep stacked so then it s stack related
September 14, 2014
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@ginger, fair enough 😛
@soapy, ty for your comment i think the standard iso raise is 3x the blinds + limper , so if v limps in for 50 we could make it 200 and that would be fine as played , 250 is fine as well. As for 300 that does seem a bit big but i guess it cant be terrible. 200 or 300 does the same job tbh. If you had AA or KK in this spot would you make it 300 just like you would with a weaker hand like K8s? which u may iso with IP.
September 14, 2014
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if for instance v limp/folds a lot making it small with your weaker/stronger range would be fine 🙂 because if u made it 2 big like 300 they’ll fold. However if u knew they’ll call with their weaker range no matter how big you make it pre, then yeah i’d go bigger with my value range.
February 20, 2015
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It being earlier in the tournament can mean a random player could have a wider range, just because the average player’s skill is lower. And successfully getting value from callers with larger bets is easier because V’s stack is so much deeper.
January 20, 2014
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Great check back on the river! I would have done exactly the same. That was the worst card in the deck for you and you denied him that check-raise he wanted.
I think your sizing is fine. You went 1/2 pot on the flop and 1/2 pot on the turn. Generally speaking, if the board is dry (Q 7 3r) I will go 1/3 pot, and if it’s wet, I’ll go closer to 1/2 pot. With his exact hand, he was getting the right price on the flop – he needed 33% equity and he had 37%. So you gave him 4%. But on the turn he was only 20% and he needed 33% again. On the turn you printed money. And maybe villain could argue for implied odds if he hits his hand. But I don’t think so. Because he did hit his hand, and he played it in a way that looked like a draw so you didn’t pay him off!
I think you played it fine. You could have bet a little more on the flop and turn, maybe 55% on flop and 60% on turn, but I wouldn’t dwell on it. I think you played it fine 🙂
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