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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 673368512
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 673368512 *****
$25/$50 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #66611706 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #25 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: RegularJo ( $6,884 )
Seat 2: twothrees ( $4,310 )
Seat 3: Perpetuus ( $2,765 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $2,689 )
Seat 5: Gin_Chilla ( $3,085 )
Seat 6: pass140 ( $528 )
Seat 7: andylot74 ( $2,960 )
Seat 9: lost4ngel ( $2,443 )
Seat 10: Torzomborz ( $1,151 )
twothrees posts small blind [$25]
Perpetuus posts big blind [$50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 9
, 9
]
london_ace raises [$100]
Gin_Chilla folds
pass140 folds
andylot74 folds
lost4ngel folds
Torzomborz calls [$100]
RegularJo folds
twothrees calls [$75]
Perpetuus folds
** Dealing flop ** [ Q, 6
, 5]
twothrees checks
london_ace checks
Torzomborz bets [$262]
twothrees folds
london_ace calls [$262]
** Dealing turn ** [ K ]
london_ace checks
Torzomborz checks
** Dealing river ** [ J ]
london_ace checks
Torzomborz checks
** Summary **
hey
The only read i have on v is that he calls often pre flop , very likely with marginal hands, doesnt seem like a good player either, probably loose passive or just a weak player and not a oppoenent that really hand reads effectively.
anyway recently i've been struggling to dertmine what line is good to take when we have hands like these on these kinda flop textures.
I usually would bet here and i'd be betting like as if i have a hand like AQ/QQ/KQ/QJ or an overpair.
I just don't think im getting called by worse here , taking the pot down now would be good though , to pick up all the equity we have. I don't think there's any need to bet for protection as there's hardly anything to protect against hands like AK/KJ/JT will very likely fold flop espically multi way.
If this was a heads up pot i think there would be more of a merit to bet , we could bet flop (oop and IP) and then probably c/c turn and re-evaluate river.
in this hand i decided to c/c since we're multi way, given that he's last to act in the hand i reckon his betting range will be wider , he could have Qx sets however he could also be betting 88/77/44/33/22 A6/A5 straight draws or air. The bad thing about checking is that we pretty much cap our range so i dunno if c/c flop will always be correct in a heads up pot , Multi way though i think c/c is more better.
thoughts on this?
we managed to get to see shodown in this hand v has 4 5
cheers.
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December 6, 2012
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I don’t think betting is a particularly good idea, even in a heads up pot. As you say, you never fold out better, and while you do have some fold equity it’s small because only worse hands fold, and you lose a large percentage of the bet when you’re called.
There are two options, really:
1. If you have an exploitable read that an opponent will bet too much or not enough, then you check and respond accordingly.
2. Failing that, you check a balanced range. That means you check-fold some hands and check-call others (perhaps you have a check-raising range as well). Then on the turn, you check again and again fold some hands and raise/call others.
Some hands are just tricky to play. There’s no magic bullet to get around that. A lot of the value in raising a hand like this preflop comes from the possibility of winning immediately or of flopping a set. When neither of those things happen, you just have to make the best of a tough situation.
September 14, 2014
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very well put , thank you.
November 18, 2013
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I'm curious why you chose to min-raise when the stacks are so deep and there are no antes, especially in a $3 tournament where you will get a lot of loose passives calling behind you.
September 14, 2014
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I’ve started to mini raise because it allows me to see a flop for a cheaper price with my whole range , whether that’s 75o or AA. Sure more players can get involved in the pot but that’s not a bad thing because when we do hit a strong hand we will get paid off a lot of the time and if we dont make a hand we could either c/f or bluff in the right spots we may also have position , like for instance when the bb calls as they’re getting good odds to call and since there range is likely to be very wide from the the blinds when we make a bet of 1/3 of a pot it only needs to succeed 25% of the time to be profitable.
November 18, 2013
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You’re raising under the gun at an early blind level. All the callers except the blinds will have position on you. And while your price to see the flop is cheap, you are also giving your opponents the opportunity to see a cheap flop with position on you. It’s hard to play a multi-way pot out of position. You are giving your opponents a better deal than you’re giving yourself. I tend to raise larger before antes, especially in early position to decrease the number of opponents and SPR.
After antes, the amount of dead money and the smaller SPRs, and lower percentage of maniac LAGs, my primary goal is to pick up lots of dead money with little risk. I make smaller opens with a wider range.
September 14, 2014
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It's fine to give your opponents a cheap flop , it's not like we're stacking off 100bb+ with 78s on a K T 8 flop anyway , you may decide to bet this flop if called just c/f turn and we only lose like …5-6bb. basically whether you raise 2bb or 3bb+ in the early stages there's not much of a difference, if your opponent is going to call pre with his marginal/junk hands so be it , you would be able to easily play aganst his weak calling range. Yeah sometimes you might lose a huge pot , it hapens but trust me , making a mini raise pre with your whole range is pretty good, like say u picked up a strong hand like AA u mini raise 2bb, someone may decide to 3-bet AK to like 6bb , u 4-bet make it 18bb , he may decide to 5-bet shove and BOOM you've got the nuts u win 😉
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