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December 6, 2012
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May I suggest …..os-part-1/?
I don't think you should be thinking of “premiums” as a set of hands that needs to be played in its own specific way. This is often what gets people into trouble, because they take a line they'd only take with a very strong hand, and that risks revealing your hand to your opponent. I actually didn't see too much of that in your examples here, although the last one, where you made the min-3bet with AA, is probably an example of what I'm talking about. Would you do that with AK? Just make the same raise you'd make with any other hand you'd 3bet, and then go from there.
November 18, 2013
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On the first example, I don't think slow-playing is a good idea when you are so deep. While it's hard for your opponent to have top pair when you have top set, the board is wet enough that there are hands you can get value from. I especially don't like checking twice. You can't get value from draws on the river.
You got lucky that he had a hand strong enough to get it in with you and unlucky that he hit a two-outer.
November 18, 2013
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On the second example, overall I think you played it fine. I personally would just call the river. What hands were you hoping villain could call you with?
November 18, 2013
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In the third example, I would probably flat the flop raise, although I would probably still end up going broke on later streets.
By 3-betting preflop you are repping a strong range. You have the hand you're repping and he is raising you anyway. This would make me slow down. His hand should be sets or strong draws. When you 3-bet the flop, he will probably give up on most of the bluffs and all but the strongest draws. If you just call it keeps his range wider. He may continue to try to bluff you on later streets. You still lose when he has a set but have the potential to win more from the weaker part of his range.
February 26, 2015
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Hey guys, and thanks for the response.
I have already seen the video and it honestly didn't solve my problem. I try to have the same 3-bet size on my entire range, maybe I slipped a little bit on the last hand there, I don't recall the hand fully so maybe I had a read or something.
My thought process in the 1st hand was that if he had a flush draw, I could propably get him to bet it on the flop by checking to him. Once the A comes I'm thinking it is a great card to rep if you want to bluff, but since I have hit my hand, I don't think there is any non Ace hand I can get value from by betting, and an Ace will propably bet here for value. This way I might also get him to try and rep the river, saying “I have an ace”, if he does infact have nothing. And as you see I get great value from 2 pairs, and he gets his stack in drawing to a two-outer.(So main logic for checking twice is that I think he will bet the flop with flush draw, and rep the ace on the turn, especially now where I showed weakness and checked twice)
I do see your point in example two, I remember that he was playing really wierd(the 300 bet lead on the river as example) and I thought he might be one of those guys who had AQ and wanted to go bluff catching with it. Now where I look close to it, the only real hand there can call there is KK and we would propably have gotten it in earlier if he had KK. I do agree a call is better here, propably never getting value out of worse unless he decides to make a major hero call.
In the 3rd hand the thing is that if a club peels off I bassicly have to fold to any bet, if he has a set he is just gonna go for 3 streets of value and I am not gonna fold unless a club peels off. I go for the shove here, because I do belive it looks bluffy, and he might call is AQ, especially if he has the A of clubs blocker. If he calls with two clubs I do get my KK in good, if he calls with a set then I have the backdoor flush draw and a backdoor straight to go with the to remainin Kings as my outs. I just think that if you call there, there is simply to many bad turns I would have to fold on, so better make it simple and get it in on the flop. Maybe i am wrong though.
Also now where we are on the topic, I just played this hand.
And seriously concidered checkfolding on the turn. I had a read on him that he was set minding a lot, and looking back on it I don't understand why I didn't just fold. What do you guys think? Is it a clear fold to you?
November 18, 2013
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I think one lesson to take from your examples is that when stacks are deep, it’s hard to win a big pot with one pair and hard to win a big pot out of position. One adjustment is to play more hands in position that have potential for implied odds- small pocket pairs, suited aces, suited connectors. The other adjustment is to play more cautiously with big pairs to avoid reverse implied odds.
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December 6, 2012
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What’s an example of a weak hand you’d play the same way you played your set in the first example (check flop as PFR, check raise turn)?
September 14, 2014
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I've only checked example 1 and 2.
The 1st example , bet flop for sure.
The 2ed example , thoughts on checking back turn? KJ and QTs got there , though i still like the value bet on the turn. My value target would be ATs//KTs maybe JTs/JJ, i dont think its likely that KK will be a big part of there range since he probaly would had 4-bet pre flop.
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