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Heads up in UB Sniper 25k - 22 facing 3 bet
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November 16, 2010 - 2:29 am
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Villains numbers over 250 hands were  34/19. Mine, 19/17. His aggression went way up after it was three handed. Before that, he was very stationy – would flat then fold to flop and turn bets often – he wasn't very good. But he seemed to turn into a different player once the table was shorthanded.

My image was pretty active and my raise size was standard – I wasn't varying my opening raises during the end game.

This hand was the very first hand of heads up play and it kind of took me for surprise – I had no read on his heads up tendencies yet.

The hand converter wasn't working for some reason so I used this.

 

 Table info:

Dealer, Posts small blind $4000

Seat 1:HERO ($340,958)

Posts big blind $8000

Seat 5:FIREFIRE08 ($301,042)

Dealt to HERO
2s 2h

Preflop: (Pot: $12000)

RAISE HERO, to $16,777
RAISE FIREFIRE08, to $41,554
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November 16, 2010 - 10:07 am
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A pocket pair HU is pretty strong, and he has proven to be highly aggro so my guess is that you are probably facing two overs (not a huge stretch given your holding 🙂 ). I would probably push it, but that is just me.

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November 16, 2010 - 11:00 am
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I instamuck 22 here.

22 is flipping or dead against any hand he calls with and even if we fold we still have 40 bb's. Pushing here just feels like an act of desperation and spewy when we can easily fold now and then pot control all our buttons to soul own him heads-up.

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November 16, 2010 - 11:22 am
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I fold here as well.  Think you can find a much better spot and we are pretty crushed by his calling range.

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I fold it here as well. I will only play pocket 2s if I can see the flop for cheap. Keep in mind every other pair has you beat and if you do not hit your set on flop it is a race at best. From a mathematical standpoint there is a lot against you.

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As it's the first hand of HU I think you can find a much better spot. I think it's interesting that everyone here is focussing on the two cards in front of you and what damage you can do with them versus his calling range. What about calling and attempting to outplay him postflop? I know he is aggressive, but even aggressive players have to fold in the face of aggression. In this spot I would just fold as it's the first hand of HU. A few hands in though I would definitely attempt to outplay him by raising a lot of his cbets or floating the flop and seeing if he gives up on the turn. I do think it's really important to be able to play against the player rather than just focussing on the two cards in front of us all the time. If we wait for hands that connect with the flop then he might have already completely crushed us and we're left with a short stack and leaving it up to the poker gods! Would love to hear thoughts on this… especially if you think that stacks are too short to outplay him here! Or you think I'm a complete tool! surprised

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^^^^

That's an interesting thought – never really considered the option of calling here. If he hadn't switched gears , I could see it but the feeling I got is that he gave up playing post and his chips were prob going in on the flop. Plus, I think you have to face facts that we have 22 and the only way to add equity to the hand is by shoving right now.

I don't know how much of an advantage having position is here post anyway- this could be one of those spots where he has an adge when he acts first. I would expect a good player to either lead with a strong bet or ch/r shove the flop just about always. Either way, it's not going to be easy holding 22.

But the reason I posted the hand is because I got feedback from an excellent winning player that has experience going deep in several majors that this is a shove everytime to him. And he's not ultra aggro or anything like that. I did fold with the thought that I have enough chips to wait for a better spot as a couple of pple here mentioned.

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November 17, 2010 - 11:47 am
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Pretty sure flatting is the absolute worst option here when you hold 22. If you're raising 98s or whatever you can try to make an argument.

But he's going to c-bet 100% of flops so now you're faced with a monkey jam or a raise/fold spot that will cripple you.

How much maneuverability do you feel like you have to make a single move post-flop that takes down the pot? All you can do is shove over his c-bet and hope for a fold. And to me that's just as bad as shoving pre-flop here.

I can see why mmfitter was told this is a shove every time … I can see a lot of hands 3 betting that won't call a 4 bet shove. Just seems super high variance to me.

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