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Hand's that I think I played bad....thoughts?

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July 11, 2012 - 3:52 pm

Hey all….made a couple notes on some spots where I felt I played bad and wanted to get your thoughts on whether you agree or not. I’ll explain what I was thinking at the time I played it, and why (afterthought) I think it was bad….comments made after each hand (sorry for the length…that’s what she said).

HAND 1

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds + t15 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Tasja66 (UTG+2): BB = 43.2, t5181
Paisti86 (MP1): BB = 32.6, t3914
imhunty (MP2): BB = 71.4, t8572
Hero (CO): BB = 82.3, t9878
cusirc (BTN): BB = 43.1, t5170
marcin.holek (SB): BB = 25.3, t3030
ArtinhoX (BB): BB = 41.1, t4932
Jishik88 (UTG): BB = 19.5, t2339
ledger1985 (UTG+1): BB = 53.5, t6419

Pre Flop: (t315) Hero is CO with 6 of spades 7
1 fold, ledger1985 raises to t240, 3 folds, Hero calls t240, cusirc calls t240, 2 folds

Flop: (t1035) A of clubs J of spades 2 of hearts (3 players)
ledger1985 checks, Hero checks, cusirc checks

Turn: (t1035) 8 of spades (3 players)
ledger1985 bets t240, Hero calls t240, cusirc calls t240

River: (t1755) 6 of clubs (3 players)
ledger1985 bets t480, Hero folds, cusirc folds

So p/f I was planning on opening here, but with an utg+1 open I called, hoping it would induce the BB to call and make it a 3 way pot. Looking back, thinking I should just 3 bet or fold here, as I’m also setting up a squeeze for the button with our stacksizes (although unlikely considering it was an utg+1 raise with not much history).

As played:

Miss the Flop so I check through with intention of folding to a button bet

Turn brings me the flush draw, and original raiser now bets 240 into a 1035 pot. I’m putting his range on 55, 99, TT, QJ, KJ, KQ. Would have expected him to bet any A on the flop. I call, as does the button.

River pairs my 6, miss my draw. Original Raiser puts in 480 into a 1755 pot. With the button still to act, I fold. I think o/r is ahead with a pocket pair, random Jack or has a KQ type hand that missed. If button isn’t here, I might call with the 6’s….but overall, probably should have 3 bet or folded pre I think.

Hand 2

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds + t25 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Tasja66 (SB): BB = 25.0, t5006
Paisti86 (BB): BB = 36.2, t7240
imhunty (UTG): BB = 43.1, t8627
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 46.0, t9198
cusirc (UTG+2): BB = 22.1, t4420
marcin.holek (MP1): BB = 12.0, t2395
ArtinhoX (MP2): BB = 13.0, t2603
Jishik88 (CO): BB = 13.1, t2617
ledger1985 (BTN): BB = 36.6, t7329

Pre Flop: (t525) Hero is UTG+1 with A of diamonds 4
1 fold, Hero raises to t419, 6 folds, Paisti86 calls t219

Flop: (t1163) 3 of spades 6 6 of diamonds (2 players)
Paisti86 checks, Hero bets t495, Paisti86 calls t495

Turn: (t2153) 8 of clubs (2 players)
Paisti86 checks, Hero bets t995, Paisti86 calls t995

River: (t4143) Q of hearts (2 players)
Paisti86 checks, Hero bets t2011, Paisti 86….

With 5 stacks between 11 and 22 BB behind, should not have opened this hand from utg+1. BB calls.

Flop: Fairly dry flop, with a backdoor straight and flush draw, so i decide to c-bet. BB call behind. At this point i’m putting him on 2 overs or a pocket pair…22, 44, 55, 77, 88….think he would raise with 99+ pre.

Turn: the 8 really doesn’t do anything except completes a set…which if so, gg to me. So I take another stab on the turn should he have 2 overs. Calls me down.

River: I was planning to shut down here if he bet. He checks the river, which basically to me narrows his hand down to small pocket pairs. I can’t see him checking a random 6 or a set of 8’s. So i figure the Q might be a scare card for him and triple barrel the river….thoughts here? Should I check behind?

Hand 3

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Tasja66 (UTG+2): BB = 18.9, t5680
Paisti86 (MP1): BB = 41.4, t12413
imhunty (MP2): BB = 24.0, t7187
Hero (CO): BB = 13.8, t4138
cusirc (BTN): BB = 26.9, t8055
AkilaN222 (SB): BB = 64.2, t19265
Doli (BB): BB = 21.5, t6452
Jishik88 (UTG): BB = 19.6, t5867
ledger1985 (UTG+1): BB = 20.3, t6089

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is CO with T of clubs 7
3 folds, Paisti86 raises to t1200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4098 all in, 3 folds, Paisti86…..

Think I was just looking for a reshove here, and this guy had 4x folded pre a few hands earlier….but looking back now, i don’t think with my stack size I had the fold equity to make this work. Probably should wait for better spot and open shove vs re-shove here (especially a 4x).

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July 11, 2012 - 5:02 pm

Great Hands to post: Here is what I think on all 3.

Hand 1:

With the stack sizes, I 3 bet pre to something like 675. I utilize position with the intent of isolating pre. Also with the hand you have, 67ss its a great hand to play post because you will either smash the flop or miss. In most cases when you 3 bet you will win the pot by c betting on the flop, and when the villain wants to continue and you smash the flop your hand is well disguised. By just calling the ep open you are encouraging more players to come along and this hand is not one you want to play multi way imo.

Hand 2:

You are right, with the stacks behind, I just fold pre here unless you are prepared to get it in with the shortys. With a small suited ace like this, just pretend it is a small pocket pair (because odds of both flopping a flush draw or set is very similar). Even when you are just called by someone that isn't aware of stack sizes who should be 3 bet or folding it will be real awkard to play post. Even when you flop your ace, you are out of position and it makes it very difficult. With the way played, I think firing all 3 streets and using the queen as a scare card is okay. By betting river it is probably the only way to win the pot unless he is c/c down with a flush draw. If he flopped or turned the world, villains at this level will probably of c/r you at least by the turn for value, and at the very least lead river to get value. By having the right stack size when opening and betting smaller on flop, this allows you to take the 3 barrel line.

Hand 3:

Just fold pre with this hand. Yeah, the villain may of opened 4x and folded previously, but in this spot you don't have any fold equity to push the villain off calling you. Now, in saying that, chances are unless you run in to a big pocket pair you will probably be live and up against a broadway hand. Never the less, I still muck pre and wait for a spot to be the initial jammer.

Hope that this is helpful. Best of luck at the tables!!

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July 11, 2012 - 5:33 pm

TY TY for the feedback!

terbet11 said:

Great Hands to post: Here is what I think on all 3.

Hand 1:

With the stack sizes, I 3 bet pre to something like 675. I utilize position with the intent of isolating pre. Also with the hand you have, 67ss its a great hand to play post because you will either smash the flop or miss. In most cases when you 3 bet you will win the pot by c betting on the flop, and when the villain wants to continue and you smash the flop your hand is well disguised. By just calling the ep open you are encouraging more players to come along and this hand is not one you want to play multi way imo.

Hand 2:

You are right, with the stacks behind, I just fold pre here unless you are prepared to get it in with the shortys. With a small suited ace like this, just pretend it is a small pocket pair (because odds of both flopping a flush draw or set is very similar). Even when you are just called by someone that isn't aware of stack sizes who should be 3 bet or folding it will be real awkard to play post. Even when you flop your ace, you are out of position and it makes it very difficult. With the way played, I think firing all 3 streets and using the queen as a scare card is okay. By betting river it is probably the only way to win the pot unless he is c/c down with a flush draw. If he flopped or turned the world, villains at this level will probably of c/r you at least by the turn for value, and at the very least lead river to get value. By having the right stack size when opening and betting smaller on flop, this allows you to take the 3 barrel line.

Hand 3:

Just fold pre with this hand. Yeah, the villain may of opened 4x and folded previously, but in this spot you don't have any fold equity to push the villain off calling you. Now, in saying that, chances are unless you run in to a big pocket pair you will probably be live and up against a broadway hand. Never the less, I still muck pre and wait for a spot to be the initial jammer.

Hope that this is helpful. Best of luck at the tables!!

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July 11, 2012 - 9:42 pm

I fold pre on all those hands.

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July 11, 2012 - 10:10 pm

Hand 1 – I agree this should be a 3bet spot, have you got some stats on villain? Had he been opening a lot? Any showdowns? I don't mind a flat, you're in position with a hand that can flop well, but can also be easy to get away from if you miss. But i think 3betting eliminates potential squeezes from players still to act, plus it gives you the initiative to take the flop if you miss. So overall 3bet>call>fold

Hand 2 – Yeah i don't like opening this hand with so many short stacks behind us. Just fold this one pre. As played I think i give up on the turn. It's not the best card to double barrell on, as most of his range will probably continue to the river since this card rarely changes anything. River i'm not too sure about, seems like all his draws will now fold, yet most of his draws we beat anyway (non Ace high flush draws, all straight draws) plus i believe if he has been calling down with a pp, theres a good chance he won't be folding the river. I mean there isn't a whole lot out there to scare him really, yeah the Queen came, but i dont think the bluff will work often enough to make it profitable. Overall i think there's more hands in his range that we still beat, and not enough hands that beat us that wil fold to a bet. So i would check.

Hand 3 – Hate the shove sorry. There is no fold equity here. You say he folded to a shove a couple of times already after he 4x'ed, but what did they shove for? 20bb? 25bb? 13bb is too small to be bluff shoving to a 4x raise i believe. The only good thing i think, as terbet said, is that if he calls, and doesnt have a high PP, you are most likely drawing live smile

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