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February 19, 2013
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My question here is what to do in this position? I was thinkin to raise to BB fold, since the SB was sitout. But after the raise of SB i didn't know what to do in that position. Call or Fold?
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3500/t7000 Blinds + t700 – 9 players – View hand 2114466
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
BTN: BB = 12.8, t89835
SB: BB = 0.7, t4830
BB: BB = 5.7, t39780
UTG: BB = 4.1, t28600
UTG+1: BB = 29.0, t203256
UTG+2: BB = 12.2, t85200
MP1: BB = 45.3, t317229
MP2: BB = 51.8, t362415
Hero (CO): BB = 15.5, t108726
Pre Flop: (t16800) Hero is CO with 8
Q
5 folds, Hero raises to t21000, 2 folds, BB raises to t39080 all in, Hero ?
In this spot its an easy fold? The line is right?
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t120 – 9 players – View hand 2114467
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
MP2: BB = 16.5, t19760
CO: BB = 3.7, t4485
BTN: BB = 60.3, t72415
SB: BB = 17.1, t20550
BB: BB = 29.8, t35700
UTG: BB = 6.3, t7560
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 18.3, t21985
UTG+2: BB = 25.7, t30886
MP1: BB = 13.7, t16460
Pre Flop: (t2880) Hero is UTG+1 with A Q
1 fold, Hero raises to t3600, UTG+2 raises to t30766 all in, 6 folds,
January 1, 2011
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Hand #1: If you don't know what to do when the BB shoves in this spot, it's should most likely be folded pre. After he shoves you basically have to call as are getting 3:1(assuming my math is correct).
Hand #2 Without some history with villain I think it's an easy fold here. I also consider the tournament I'm playing and think about how big of an edge I have(or dont). For a low buyin tourney like this I would always consider myself to have a big edge. Thus I generally like to avoid high variance spots, especially when I'm around 20 BBs. There will be better spots then this one almost every time.
February 1, 2013
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1- defo a jam pre. But as played I defo call off as there's too much in the middle to fold for the rest.
2- For me this is nailed on call. I'm never raise/folding AQo from 18 bigs starting. Personally I open jam. When you raise from a stack of this size you look like you can fold.
happy to be shot down in flames on the above by the pro's here, but that's how I see.
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May 30, 2012
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i probably fold pre in hand one, we never ever get through and our hand doesnt really crush a random one very much. add in when we get called by better by the others and im passing.
hand 2 dont 3x there. as played its pretty hard to fold due to our sizing. if he is like 10/10 with a small 3bet we can fold.
January 16, 2013
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pot =69880
you have to call 18,080 more which means you only need to win 18080/(69880+18080)=20.6% of the time for this to be +ChipEV.
Against AA you win 13%
Vs JJ+, AQ+ you win 24% of the time.
I would fold pre, but if you raise make the raise smaller and or have a plan for what you are going to do if shoved on.
Hand #2 Again I would raise less than 3x. In a one dollar tourney I tend to fold to this shove because, as MNPuck stated, I can probably find a better spot later in the tournament.
October 22, 2012
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hand1 i jam or fold
hand2 i jam
as played i still call both
cant be profitable imo to fold to a 5bb shove in hand1
and in hand 2 if we fold reeber we are left with 15bb and go through the blinds so i take the gamble, i guess we are kinda flippin against his range – we gotta win some flips 😉
February 18, 2013
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Hand 1 I'm folding PF unless table has been passive or I haven't been playing many hands, I like a min raise which means you are less committed to call the BB shove – but as mcorbett says I think you gotta call in this situation.
Hand 2 I would usually call and flip it but I like MNPucks comments that there would be better spots – I guess it depends how aggro villain has been at the table but at UTG+2 what are we expecting his range to be here, AK, AQs, 99 through to QQ? Is he shoving with KK and AA? I think the darned timer would stress me into a call (they never have it until you call right? lol) but thinking it through a fold might be preferable.
February 19, 2013
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Thanks guys for the inputs…
I really need to gain more conscientiousness about some spots and losing some high variance type of playing, which i got alot in my game.
Looking backwards, i thinks most of you are right the all in AQ was simply high variance play, that in the long run is gonna do more damage than good.
Hand 1# i really think that we should be raising, due the fact we are against just one player. Prolly the raise size is terrible wrong, im used to cash game sizes, that i'm lost a little bit here. Anyway, time to watch some videos.
July 7, 2012
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Everything hand specific has already been said. All I would add is that, especially with these stack sizes i.e. less than 20bbs, BEFORE you open check the stack sizes behind and decide what you will do against each of them if you get action.
Hands
1. I dont open in this spot unless prepared to call off, so I fold pre.
2. Depending what the tourney average stack is, I'm opening and preparing to call off, especailly in a $1 as people completely overvalue lesser hands, that said you are UTG+1 and +2 so i dont hate a fold in this spot.
General note, later stages of a tourney I think you should consider reducing you opening sizing to 2.2-2.5 initially as you are just bleeding chips if you 3x then fold. My standard is 2.15 and my coach says this is too big!
May 31, 2012
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i agree with badabing on the actions and turbulence about the bet sizing need to bring that down closer to 2x when we open up.
February 18, 2013
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@Nosebleed – understand what you are saying here for hand 1, if BB is super tight do you think there is lost value by not at least min raising, ie if we are sure we can get a fold 3 out of 4 then we can still min raise with intention of folding to a shove. Though pot odds may dictate we call.
July 7, 2012
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Al29 said:
@Nosebleed – understand what you are saying here for hand 1, if BB is super tight do you think there is lost value by not at least min raising, ie if we are sure we can get a fold 3 out of 4 then we can still min raise with intention of folding to a shove. Though pot odds may dictate we call.
The BB has 5.7bbs, you cant even limp fold to his shove let alone min raise fold. So, you either raise with intention of calling or fold pre. Personally I think Q8o is to marginal of a hand with our stack to raise with intention of calling so I fold. I also think its to marginal hand to open jam (but I've not checked it with Pushbot, just gutfeel). So, my order of preference would be
i) Fold
ii) Shove
iii) Raise Call (never raise folding)
February 18, 2013
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Thanks Nosebleed, I’ve not seen pushbot before, interesting point on there about risking your tournament life. I was down to last 16 of daily dollar on FT this week with AQ in the SB and 20M, BB was tight and I figured I could avoid playing the hand out of position so shoved hoping to take the blinds, I got called by BB who had 44 (and 20M) and missed. My thinking was most of the time the BB would fold but I guess with 20M I should have just raised, if he’d re-raised I was possibly shoving anyway but he’d likely have flatted and folded to my 1/2 bullets or I’d have backed off and saved money. Playing the last 10-20 spots is definitely the weak part of game right now but maybe pushbot will help with that.
February 19, 2013
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Thanks turbelence, i that is some great tips, especially the PF raise one. Tried that yesterday and workout pretty good.
But i saw some pattern, i see the most times i raise PF, i get some guy's 3 betting alot, do you find that an easy fold, or you do consider that in the later stages, there is value calling expeculative hands like JTs?
I think im open way too much in all phases of the tournament. Gonna review some hands and watch some videos.
Thanks anyway
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