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Hand from a £200+20 live event + Range Merging.
PainInDaAss
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July 30, 2011 - 9:28 pm
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HI All,

 

I've been a member for the last few weeks and so far this is the best training site i've been on, and there;s been a few.

 

Background – I've been playing 4-5 year, last 2 more seriously and due to illness i play pretty much full time now. I had decent sucess over the last 2 years being in the top 1% of players on OPR winning several events on Pokerstars and the nu defunct Full Tilt. My usernames are Chimpeeeeeee and PainInDeAss/PainInDaAss on most sites. I was quite ill with crohns diseaise at the start of the year and didn't really play at all for 4-5 months. Now i'm back the result don't seem to be coming so i decided to work on the game and try to do an hour a day of study. Hence joing TPE, Which i love… great podcasts. Listened to all of them and working my way through the vids.

I'm not sure how everything works just yet. I'd like to get a HH reviewed for an evening MTT, but no idea who to send that to, or if it stands a chance of getting in.

For today i have a question on range merging. I have a pretty good understanding of the whole idea, but when is it too light to get value. I played this hand earlier to day in London (where I live!).

I played a hand this afternoon in the Mega where I raised in MP with 88,
the player in HJ flatted as did the BB. I had about 200k at the time
and had both the other guys covered. The blinds were 1/2k 400ante and I
raised to 4400. The first caller was a nit, played 4 hands all day. The
BB calling was more interesting. I didn't have a solid read, although he
looks to like the odd bluff.

The Flop

I'm pretty sure I have the best hand, but i'm not going to be over joyed
if i get raised. With this in mind I checked, nit checks and bluffer
bet 10k. I called, nit folds.

Turn

I check, so does he. The A is certainly something with is in his range,
although he had shown a propensity to raise with most aces rather that
call pre.

The River
completing a i card straight on the bored. The way the hands played i
think it's unlikely he has a bare 5, but possible 55. Aside from that I
have him on a bare under mine 77, 66 and possible 55.

On the river he checks to me. Now, merge ranging. I have him on a range
of cards which I beat, and I throw out a bet which i feel does 2-3
things. Value betting what is likely the best hand, a blocker bet to
stop him perhaps putting in a massive bet. I bet, and he nearly looks
to muck for a sec then pulls the cards back and covers them. He tanks
for 2-3 mins before pushing all in. Marv. I'm so sure he's bluffing
here, but i couldn't spring the call. The most likely hand that he's
representing was 55 which I had in in his range.

Thoughts? My good friend who watched the whole hand said it was an awful
bluff. You had showdown value so why bet. I said i was vetting for thin
value, which will hopefully pay dividends down the line, it didn't and i
lost 3 back to back flips before pushing with 82o from the SB and BB
wakes with AQ. Marv.

Thinking about it now i feel that my read was good. He implied after
i'd been knocked out that he river the straight. That from my point of
view isn't the point.

What the value so think that this should ever be a bet? The standard of
players was OK. Phil H was probably the best player at the table, but i
was playing well until this point. The rest of the players were tightish
regs of poor to good standard. No superstars. From what i've read in
this thread tying to use range merging in this instance was the same as
out levelling myself. Something i'm trying to reign in this year!

Incresing my VPIP, AGG, PFR and final value betting thinner on the
river. I've achieved all of them, and hopefully the results will come.
MY main problem generally is out-levelling myself. Also on another note a
friend from the UK tour had suggest using some ADD meds to help me
concentrate. We'll see about that.

 

Anyway. I'm looking forward to yout thoughts.

PainInDaAss

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August 3, 2011 - 6:40 am
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knowing their stack sizes at the start of the hand would be extremely useful in helping to analyze this hand.

kingten102
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August 3, 2011 - 6:41 am
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also, i'm assuming one of the cards in your flop, turn, or river is wrong because 10 6 4 A 2 doesn't make a 4 card straight

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August 3, 2011 - 7:04 am
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lastly the action on the flop is confusing.  if the BB(bluffer) has called your raise from middle position.  He will be first to act.  So you can't check-call a bet from him.  He would have to have led the flop with a 10k bet from the big blind. 

 

the size of your river bet in relation to the pot and his stack size are EXTREMELY important as well.  Aggro opponents can check raise on this river with complete air if they think your bet was weak, and you can't call a raise.

 

in position, on the turn, he checks to you, I am representing the Ace and betting here.  You will get all the info you need at that point.

 

If you check behind for pot control and if you think you have showdown value, there is no reason to bet the river.

 

His line does look very bluffish here, whatever the stack sizes are, but you are only beating a bluff at this point.

the main reason his line looks like a bluff is you checked the turn. he is almost always leading the river for value if he has a big hand, because you have shown no propensity to be aggressive in the hand.  If he has a hand similar to yours, he will check-call most of the time in this spot.

 

Lastly, without a crazy read on this opponent, 88 is rarely good in this spot with 2 overs on the board.  You can find a much better spot to catch this guy.

We always want to have a plan before we bet.  You should know what you will do BEFORE you make the thin value bet.  Am I thin value betting to induce the raise? Am I folding to an all in?

 

Side Note: if 10 6 4 A 2, is the correct flop,turn and river then 35 suited makes a lot of sense given his line.  He led the flop to see the turn. he missed, but got you to check behind on the turn.  then he crushed his straight on the river, and over raised the pot on the river to make it look like a bluff.

 

long story short.  call on the flop. bet or check turn, and def check behind on the river if you checked the turn.

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