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I would appreciate input on the following hand (paste to follow). I
want to know if i donked off, or if i can consider it a semi-cooler.
Basically, deep in last nights FT super stack 7pm 15 guar., over 2300
players, down to 17. Blinds are 8k/16k 2k ante, 40k in pot before any
action, i raise to $48,555, one player who has me greatly covered
re-raises to over 127k, im sitting with over 400k, i raise-shove with
my stack, holding aq, he calls with ak, im gone.
Had i had more chips, i could have taken a more cautious line (call raise, bet out 3/4 pot on flp, take it down right there, or
fold to re-raise) but with only 28 bigs, didnt feel i had room for that.
One of the major deciding factors for my shove is that ive seen this player fold a few times to re-raises/shoves.
Did i do the right thing, or because so close to final tabling, and he
having me covered, should i have just folded to his 3-bet?
Here's the paste, thanks for any input 🙂 Thanks, Ken (kowins1, asa kenwins1 on FT, KO1u0 on pocketfives)
Full Tilt Poker Game #25120407473: Super Stack $15K Guarantee
(194326404), Table 206 – 8000/16000 Ante 2000 – No Limit Hold'em –
02:38:04 ET – 2010/10/30
Seat 1: Coallan (809,983)
Seat 2: coolguy418 (163,444)
Seat 3: stefan1848 (1,344,473)
Seat 4: JimboAA (848,038)
Seat 5: Cutler13 (500,282)
Seat 6: HolteEnder5 (734,036)
Seat 7: KENWINS1 (447,844)
Seat 8: M3ddLeCHoE (1,210,253)
Seat 9: Ky3eHoK (409,633)
Coallan antes 2,000
coolguy418 antes 2,000
stefan1848 antes 2,000
JimboAA antes 2,000
Cutler13 antes 2,000
HolteEnder5 antes 2,000
KENWINS1 antes 2,000
M3ddLeCHoE antes 2,000
Ky3eHoK antes 2,000
JimboAA posts the small blind of 8,000
Cutler13 posts the big blind of 16,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KENWINS1 [Qs Ac]
HolteEnder5 folds
KENWINS1 has 15 seconds left to act
KENWINS1 raises to 48,555
M3ddLeCHoE has 15 seconds left to act
M3ddLeCHoE raises to 127,800
Ky3eHoK folds
Coallan folds
coolguy418 folds
stefan1848 folds
JimboAA folds
Cutler13 folds
KENWINS1 raises to 445,844, and is all in
M3ddLeCHoE calls 318,044
KENWINS1 shows [Qs Ac]
M3ddLeCHoE shows [Kd Ah]
*** FLOP *** [4c Js 2c]
*** TURN *** [4c Js 2c] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [4c Js 2c Ad] [2s]
KENWINS1 shows two pair, Aces and Twos
M3ddLeCHoE shows two pair, Aces and Twos
M3ddLeCHoE wins the pot (933,688) with two pair, Aces and Twos
June 22, 2010
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In this situation his 3-bet looks to reperesent strength and I think I would have folded. You could argue for a flat with AQ but in my experience they usually turn over JJ-AA or AK. I would not 4-bet shove with AQ here unless I had a solid read or the table was shorthanded by three or more players. In the future try using the TPE hand converter it allows to follow the hand easier and if you must post results do it at the end. Knowing what happens can influence the feedback you receive. I see this is your first post, so welcome to the forum and hope to see you around a lot.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
Pre flop your initial raise is too big. Something like 35K is sufficent or just mini. Larger bets at this stage just shallow out the stacks. With 30ish BBs I would be hard pressed not to 4 bet all in also. The only thing is your read and you went with it. Well played unlucky at that moment IMO.
I am not 4bet jammin AQ here. I think I am tryin to find a better spot but I am a complete nit. There is a case for flattin, but then what? You miss and have to fold just looks bad. You have 30ish bb and your villian is showing to be strong. You went with your read it sounds like just UL. OH and welcome to the site…..
July 3, 2010
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WIth you only having 28 bb's and villain already 3-bet/folding you can't fold AQ here. It's just a sucky cooler spot.
But like someone else already said, you don't need to be 3x raising pre. You can do like 33,500 – 35,000 and get the same folds you'd get for a raise size of 48,000.
It also gives them more wiggle room to make mistakes with inferior hands. If you raise up to 3x they might think you aren't folding. If you min-raise they can maybe talk themselves into thinking you can be blown off your hand.
FkCoolers said:
WIth you only having 28 bb's and villain already 3-bet/folding you can't fold AQ here. It's just a sucky cooler spot.
But like someone else already said, you don't need to be 3x raising pre. You can do like 33,500 – 35,000 and get the same folds you'd get for a raise size of 48,000.
It also gives them more wiggle room to make mistakes with inferior hands. If you raise up to 3x they might think you aren't folding. If you min-raise they can maybe talk themselves into thinking you can be blown off your hand.
Pay attention to Fk…His words are well thought out imo…
Pre needs to be 33 to 35k. With this raise you could fold to the 3bet depending on the opp. As played, it would be tough to fold given your read.
What sort of range do you give your villian on his 3bet? I am just curious.
HI BBird, sry for the delay in answering, was out of town at the Borgata for a few days (forgot my laptop!)
The reason for the initial raise amount was because not only was i factoring in the sm/big blind size, but i was also adding in the 2k ante.
As far as my read/guesstimate on his range, was thinking small to med pocket 5's-10's, aq, ak. The main reason for my reraise-shove
was only because i saw this guy fold in the same situation a few times, and even though there was the great difference in our stacks,
still thought i had a great chance to get a fold out of him.
FkCoolers said:
WIth you only having 28 bb's and villain already 3-bet/folding you can't fold AQ here. It's just a sucky cooler spot.
But like someone else already said, you don't need to be 3x raising pre. You can do like 33,500 – 35,000 and get the same folds you'd get for a raise size of 48,000.
It also gives them more wiggle room to make mistakes with inferior hands. If you raise up to 3x they might think you aren't folding. If you min-raise they can maybe talk themselves into thinking you can be blown off your hand.
This is spot on. Also, you had a read and had seen him fold before in these situations so I would be getting it in as well cause he could easily 3b/fold with his stack in that spot.
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March 17, 2010
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kowins1 said:
The reason for the initial raise amount was because not only was i factoring in the sm/big blind size, but i was also adding in the 2k ante.
The advice to go to 32k – 35k factors this in already. 2.0x – 2.5x is the same as 3.0x in terms of the impact on others decisions to play hands with you and if you do get called you can control the pot better.
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