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hand #1: 77 in SB in Big $27.50
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March 4, 2014 - 7:28 am
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I was playing a lot yesterday, made quite some deepruns but always had my chips taken away by some inevitable event (KK vs AA, TPTK vs 2pair/set etc.). In the Big $27.50 I had so many spots where I was unsure about my play that I have to post several hand histories to see if I should take a break and get my A-game going again or if I was only confronted with more difficult decisions than usual.

1st hand: We are ITM, about 100 left, I got slightly below average stack: 48k, sitting in the SB and get dealt 7club7diamond.

Blinds: 1600/800/200, we are 8 handed

pre: UTG+1 (stack: 110k, table chipleader), a good reg opens for a minraise to 3200, it gets folded to my small blind, I decide to flat, not only to set mine, but to continue on a lot of boards and reevaluate on the turn. I don't want to 3bet-fold to a 4bet-shove. Good idea? The reg hasn't been very active so far, we don't have much postflop info on him.

flop: 5spade2diamondJheart

Looks super-dry to me, I think we are good here most of the time.

Villain cbets 3552 into a pot of 9600. I raise to 8800 – too small? Or should we ever just flat if we think our hand is good? There are just so many turns we don't want to see. Villain flats.

turn: 2heart

Best turn ever, unless he has A2. If we were good before, we should be now, right? I lead 9600. Again I think it might be too small.

Villain calls. Now when he does that I put him on a weak J like TJ, QJ, maybe even KJ? Or any pair like 88 – TT? Don't think he'd do that with A5, but not sure. Overpairs should raise that turn I think (?). I will probably check-give up on river, calling only a small bet.

river: 7heart

Best card for us, no doubt, unless he has JJ. We lead for 16240 into a pot of 46400, leaving behind 11300 in our stack. Should we just shove?

Villain folds.

He titlted against me from this point on. I wonder what that was about.

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Fold or 3b/c pre. You are not deep enough to set mine and I really don't see a point why you want to play  OOP vs a good reg who hasn't been very active yet.

 

As played I would x/c the flop. You're only getting called by better hands, so you basicly turn your hand into a bluff, which isn't necesarry because you have showdownvalue. Besides that you represent nothing. You would probably 3b/c 99+ and if you play JQ+ the same pre ( which I don't like,  3b/f or fold is better) way you probably would x/c the flop. 

 

Villain is not going to bet the turn with hands we beat so therefore I would x/f the turn. I don't agree with you that overpairs should raise the turn. Like a said before your range doesn't have alot of valuecombo's so it would be terrible to raise, because you are folding all your bluffs.

 

You should def shove the river. You have more bluffs in your range than valuecombo's so you need a bigger sizing. 

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I do believe on a dry board like that villain might bet turn often, regs tend to 2-barral a lot.

Flop check-call sounds good.

AlsoI think I shouldn't be 3bet-calling pre. If we give him a super wide 4bet-shove range (66+, AJo+, A5s, ATs+, KQ, QJs) we got 43.5% equity. However if he is shoving tighter (88+, AQo+, AJs+, KQs) we only have 35.8%. So I think 3bet fold is an option, but not sure if it's a good idea.

Yeah, totally agree on the river shove, though. My bet looks totally nutted.

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yah if you 3b, you're really just turning your hand into a bluff. anyway, late in a tournament good regs are going to start opening as a steal from early positions. they're also going to cbet and dbl barrel in this spot, almost as if it were btn/co vs bb instead of utg1 vs bb. if you 3b/c, you're flipping or behind already since he's not going to open/4bet jam 22-66. The open/4bet jam range we would need to see from him in order for this to be a spot is hard to come by because he would need to be jamming underpairs and playing mid pairs differently, while still shoving his strong broadways. Just because you 3bet though doesn't mean he's 4betting all in or folding. You're not particularly deep, but if you made it around 6-7, and he calls, the pots more like 14 and you have 24ish behind. He could flat with the top part of his range to induce you go further. Since you're so shallow, he could also expect for you to gii with less than top pair if an A/K/Q falls and may even let you barrel when he has JJ-AA. These things aren't really that creative, so it's probably a dec idea to think about what would happen.

I probably just muck because there aren't lot of hands I want to play oop again utg1 good reg, though I can see jamming I guess. It feels too much, but that way you're the one causing him to call for a flip instead of the otherway around. This situation wouldn't come up too often again after you irritatingly stop him from playing this, and I wouldn't do it unless he opened ep as a steal pretty often and made your bb trouble, but you're ahead of a light opening range overall, and you can't 3b/x really because of hand strength/stack sizes. You did the math. Flatting requires you to play a guessing game against someone who will probably 2 barrel weak and strong so it's likely easier to just pass. Setmining isn't really something I want to do against a lone player unless I think he's tighter than normal, because you're not getting paid when you hit unless he also barrels enough to give you full odds, which can only happen if he 3 barrels. You don't really need to fight every spot that comes up, particularly if the table is soft.

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on river, when you have less than 2/3 a pot sized bet behind, any hand that calls you is calling any bet you put out, so it might as well be all in. it doesn't make sense to bet less if he'll call more, and you won't ever be bluffing for a smaller amount in a similar situation.

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So just fold this pretty pocket pair, because of stack sizes and beeing oop with a hand that's awkward-to-play postflop?

Thanks for the great analysis. I just got a hard time folding 66+ vs. a reg opening from early position. What other hands would you fold? 88, too? 99 I'd try and get it in, I think. If he has a better pair: gg. Or is a flat with 99 better because there are more flops we like? Do you fold AJo as well? How about ATs? 😀 I am really curious. KQs I'd flat for sure. How about KJs and KQo?

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yah i choose fold with those smaller pairs because really youre going to check/decide way more than you want and you have to do it for usually more than one street because he's not gonna just cbet give up on a lot of run outs since cbetting is so common (and floating is so common) and. i don't want to set mine unless you're literally ck/folding all other times you don't flop a 7 because all the times the board looks safe you're stil guessing and you'll likely lose money postflop against a good reg in position. it seems weak, but think about what kind of chips you lose post flop. i know you won the hand, but it was played a tad unconventionally, and we can't expect it to play this way every time.

i think 88/99 are just higher and have the ability to 3b/c because you take away 6 combos in the 4b jam range that beat you. not that he'll be 4b jamming 77/88 necessarily, if you have 88 and he shoves 88+, you now force him to have a larger % of hands you flip with. when you get 77 against his range of 88+, he has 6 combos that run 4:1 against you that he doesnt have when you have just one hand better than that. now he only has 1 combo of equal strength, and a higher % of broadway hands.

 

i try not to play a ton of hands against reggy players oop when they're ep unless we've played enough that they clearly open light, in which case ill start 3betting/call wider, and usually try not to play otherwise. i don't know if i miss spots, but i like attacking regs in different fashions than the obvious spots we take over their obvious spots (opening as a steal in ep is obvious nowadays, so naturally 3betting from the absolute last/best position to do so is going to be the next step and has become pretty obvious as well). a note on why i feel the bb is the best position to have now is that it's slightly cheaper for you to do so (because you have 1bb in the middle that is not yours anymore), you have only the original raiser left to act, etc. his positional advantage is pretty much nullified since you're not shallow. if you're to 3b, he should be 4b or folding mostly and if he flats, his having position only helps him for pretty much one more street at any point in the hand because spr is so slow.

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As much as it pains me to say it, I think you need to fold PF.  You have an M=12 and 30bb.  You are OOP for the rest of the hand w/ a small pair.  If you 3 bet the flop you'll have to fold to a shove.  I just don't like it…

 

As played though, I would shove the river.  You might get a crying call from QQ+ or maybe even AJ.  Good post.

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