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Growing pains

y2ktim

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September 19, 2010 - 11:24 pm

Hi Pros

How long did it take before you became good enough to not blow tourneys by making stupid plays. I keep on making stupid plays despite all my studying, especially in higher buy-in events where I assume that everybody is just trying to make a move on me. (just seem my hh in the strategy section for a proof of how bad I play)

How do you develop the sense of when to play back, when to bluff, and when to shut down.

Trouble is it hits me hard emotionally when I blow a big buy in tourney due to stupid moves and end up wishing I'd taken the tourney $$$. Next tourney I then go weak-tight afraid if I do anything I'll screw up.

How do you get over that hump, both skill-wise and mental-game-wize?

Thanks

Y2KTIM

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September 20, 2010 - 8:18 pm

nl texas holdem is a game that takes literally 10 minutes to learn but can take decades to master i find that even at the volume i play and the range of buyins that i play at you will find every different style of player so for me its about volume early on in your career and online will give you that alot quicker than live. i think hand selection is key as well because you could be finding your self in 2 many pots and people will start playing back at you lighter where its you whos creating the illusion that everyones trying to make a move so you can get back to the basics in these spots and cut the risks down and choose stronger starting hands and stop flatting raises out of position be the aggressor and if you feel your beat release the hand. switching up your play to combat what you percieve is running bad will just put you in to more of a world of pain so stick to what has worked in the past and definitely dont change your play based on outcome of previous situations because then you fall into the results oriented trap.playing back,bluffing,and knowing when to shutdown hands really all comes with time and volume

Wein

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September 21, 2010 - 1:44 pm

I still make tons of mistakes. Poker is constantly changing, so you're constantly learning. Things that worked six months ago no longer work, and things six months from now will be different than what was working now. It's ever evolving.

y2ktim

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September 21, 2010 - 6:27 pm

Thanks for your honest answer.

I guess its always harder for us who's family and work commitments leave little time for poker. It makes each more tourney that more precious and that more upsetting to blow one due to a bad decision.

Def. the game is evolving. While Harrington on Hold'em was a winning strategy then, it would get you nowhere now. Kinda wish I had a time machine to go back to 2005 the first year I played online poker with what I know today….

Hagbard Celine

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September 22, 2010 - 10:59 am

it takes a while to get over the mind-state you describe. i used to work a regular job and grind in my spare time, and i definitely remember getting really nervous deep, thinking about the money on the line, etc.

the problem with that thinking is that while each tournament is it's own investment, you should think of them all working into a grander scheme. tournament variance is so high that you need to focus less on the individual tournament and more on volume and playing each hand as best you can. if you're doing that, and you're properly rolled for the games you play, then the results of each particular tournament shouldn't matter too much because if you keep grinding and playing well, the results will come.

since time seems to be an issue, i suggest starting to play more of the MTT SNGs, like the 180-mans and 45-mans. these take less time to complete which will allow you to get in a higher volume. it will also give you tons of practice with shallow stacks, which is where a ton of your edge comes from in MTTs in general (making fewer mistakes with short stacks than the rest of the field).

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September 23, 2010 - 10:09 am

Not sure if its appropriate to comment on this as i'm no pro, but here goes anyway :). As far as feeling like ppl are making moves on you should be strictly basing this on “reads”(this is the 7th time in an hour ive raised and this guy has 3-bet me) or info your HUD is giving you, which for me tells me whether a guy is just an animal or not. If you only have like 10 hands of history w/ someone, and/or no reads, you kinda just gotta give them credit and not worry too much about if they're making a move or not. I find actually the more I worry about this, the more I start to pay ppl off hero style that I have no business paying off. And as far as playing in higher buyins, that are way outside your norm and/or roll, you just gotta treat them as a $5 mentally and not care about busting as long as youre making good plays and trusting what your gut and reads are telling you. Personally when i'm playing at my best I have zero fear of busting and am playing what I deam to be optimal poker. GL to you and I hope this helped some, fwiw its helping me analyze my own game, mindset, thought process, ect. by posting like this….thx for the outlet TPE 🙂 cheers to the next level.

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