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grimerat420 vs. bazeman WSOP $2500 6max Deep ITM
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June 6, 2013 - 2:06 am
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Blinds 2k/4k

 

effective stack for the hand is Bazeman who began the hand with 66BBs.

 Bazeman is UTG

and Grimerat is BB.

 

Baze: 11k utg w/ 99

Grimerat 3 bet 28.5 from BB with AK

Baze 4 bet 48k,

Grimerat: 5 bet 100.5k

Baze: 6 bet jam 265k

Grimerat call.

Baze wins the flip.

 

Is going nuts with 99 here necessary, and do we ever expect him to fold after putting in more than 1/3 of our stack with his 5bet?

What range can we expect to be ahead of here? and are we normally dominated with this action?

 

Curious to hear thoughts.  

 

I think the 4 bet is fine….but then fold to 5 bet imo, with 99 and no FE….for your tournament life.

 

Got in 265k each ak<99 woulda had almost 600k. 

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Bazeley Wins Huge Flip to Double

 

We just a huge raising war preflop that saw six bets get into the middle for all of the chips. Jacob Bazeley made it 10,000 to go from under the gun, and Roman Valerstein three bet it to 28,500 from the big blind. It got back around to Bazeley, and he gave it some thought before four betting it to 48,000. Undeterred, Valerstein five bet it to 100,500, and when it got back to Bazeley, he six bet shoved for 260,500, and Valerstein made the call, making for a pot of nearly 600,000.

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There was a ton of tension going to the flop, and after all the excitement and build up, it was all but over in a flash when the flop came . Valerstein could only catch running hearts for the win or running ten and eight to chop, but the  was neither of those. The river was the , and when the stacks were broken down, Bazeley had doubled to 560,000, while Valerstein was left with just 53,000.

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kingten102 said:

Is going nuts with 99 here necessary, and do we ever expect him to fold after putting in more than 1/3 of our stack with his 5bet?
What range can we expect to be ahead of here? and are we normally dominated with this action?

 

Curious to hear thoughts.  

 

I think the 4 bet is fine….but then fold to 5 bet imo, with 99 and no FE….for your tournament life.

 

Got in 265k each ak<99 woulda had almost 600k. 

 

I think it's probably OK to get 99 in here. One of the reasons Baze gets deep in so many live events is that he's willing to play for stacks in spots like this.

There are essentially only two options when facing a 3bet with 99 at this depth: 4bet/get it in or flat the 3bet. “Turning it into a bluff” is an overused phrase that kind of makes me cringe, but if you're 4betting 99 with the intention of folding, that's exactly what you're doing (turning it into a bluff). Basically you're 4betting for information. That's not good.

Also, Roman is very aggressive and I'm sure the dynamic made 99 feel like the nuts here.

Flatting the 3bet isn't unreasonable, but when you do that, you'll often end up folding the best hand in a big pot.

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Here's a hand deep in the 1k (event 7) where Brent Hanks 5bets all in for about 60 bb with 44. Blinds were 2k/4k. Pokernews' count was inaccurate…they started 240k effective, not 140k. There were about 32 players left. Thought this was pretty interesting. Not sure I'd be able to pull the trigger on this one. (Pokernews didn't catch the action — Hegarty is the one who told me it was a 5bet shove)

We walked up to the table as Brent Hanks added 140,000 chips to his stack, crippling Sean Hegarty in the process.

Hanks: {4-Diamonds}{4-Hearts}
Hegarty: {a-Diamonds}{k-Spades}

Board: {8-Hearts}{10-Clubs}{6-Clubs}{10-Spades}{10-Diamonds}

Hanks' fours held up as he added to his massive stack totaling 480,000. Hegarty went all-in and busted shortly after with his remaining 25,000.

……57076.htm

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Great Analysis Dude. Gl In vegas

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ive seen some big winning players online make these moves late in tournaments with medium pairs and winning huge pots, in 1k scoop last year at final table ministerborg i think 6 bet shoved 77 for like 50-55bbs and got called by aj and won hand went on to come second in tourny for like 430k. i guess a four bet from a player in high stakes poker doesnt mean same as 4 bet from player in small tourney plus players hardly ever fold aq/ak so if u think its one of these hands ur against why not get ur stack in and try n win huge pot

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ps far as im concerned 99 or even 44 is a better hand than ak u already have pair, i bet i folded best hand too many times.

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Power of the pair

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Well, never played with Baze but have played a bunch with Grime aka Roman.  Since Roman has chips I'm quite sure he was doing his normal aggro thing and Baze knows it.  Just like Riverman said, Baze felt like 99 was the nuts.  Roman is very capable of having QT in that spot.  I've seen it.  They are both beasts.

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I am have met Grime multiple times and like the guy, just want to preface before I go on a semi rant here.

 

After this hand, he took to twitter, a little tilted(rightfully so) and said something along the lines of what OP was saying:

 

“Just lost huge flip to XXXX, where he 6 bet jammed with no FE with 99 and beat my AK, would have had like 600k”

 

There is one major problem here, why is Grime 5 betting if villain has no FE?  Think about it.  There is no reason for this to happen.  When you make a non all in bet, you do so with the implied illusion of FE.  If he wanted the villain to know he didnt have fold equity, he should have 5 bet jammed.  Since he just put in a 5 bet, he is bascially “inducing” a wider range than if he shoved himself and villain had to call off.  So when you actually get somone to induce, dont be upset about it.

 

There are times when this isnt true, and this is when there are more than 2 people in the hand left to act, as you could be willing to call off one person, but not another.

 

Grime isnt the noly person to make this mistake.  Whenever you see somone say “they did XXXXXXX, and obviously had no FE”, the action of not going all in is INTENDED to give the illusion of FE, so dont blame your opponents when it works.

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danrose29 said:

ps far as im concerned 99 or even 44 is a better hand than ak u already have pair, i bet i folded best hand too many times.

Also see:
 
 
Basically you are gonna struggle to find a non capped range where 99 fairs better than AKo.  Obviosuly if you are HU and one opponent has 99 the other has AK, I will side with 99, but thats not what is happening here.

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