September 14, 2014
#Game No : 764707227
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 764707227 *****
$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #77346199 Free 10 Max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: thrasher71 ( $4,294 )
Seat 3: cs399 ( $5,225 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $2,892 )
Seat 5: SSJarch ( $9,076 )
Seat 6: TroyLee1990 ( $1,588 )
Seat 7: KilerGirl30 ( $4,331 )
Seat 9: Desempleados ( $2,834 )
Seat 10: Joey_2012 ( $3,235 )
Desempleados posts ante [$25]
london_ace posts ante [$25]
SSJarch posts ante [$25]
thrasher71 posts ante [$25]
KilerGirl30 posts ante [$25]
cs399 posts ante [$25]
Joey_2012 posts ante [$25]
TroyLee1990 posts ante [$25]
cs399 posts small blind [$100]
london_ace posts big blind [$200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ A, T ]
SSJarch raises [$400]
TroyLee1990 folds
KilerGirl30 folds
Desempleados folds
Joey_2012 calls [$400]
thrasher71 folds
cs399 folds
london_ace calls [$200]
** Dealing flop ** [ 3, 7, A ]
london_ace checks
SSJarch checks
Joey_2012 checks
** Dealing turn ** [ Q ]
london_ace checks
SSJarch checks
Joey_2012 checks
** Dealing river ** [ T ]
london_ace bets [$555]
SSJarch raises [$8,651]
Joey_2012 folds
london_ace folds
hey
reads – V has been playing tight.
reason why i checked turn was because i thought there’s a good chance v may check back flop with strong Ax or a set, spr is really small so they may slow play here more often then not. Though given that the board has a 2 flush and we are in a multi way pot i reckon they are likely to bet their monsters otf rather then check them. Do you agree?
Otr I bet 1/3 pot as i thought v range is weak, when they shove the only hand that makes sense is KJs. If they had a hand like 77/QQ or AQ i reckon they would of likely bet these ott so those are heavily discounted. I also reckon they wont be bluffing with missed draws here.
Thoughts please?
Cheers.
September 14, 2014
it doesn’t but by checking we get to keep the weaker part of their range in , K-Q , J-Q which they may bet for value ott. If they did bet ott , are you check/shoving turn or c/c turn and re-evaluating river?
i reckon if we c/c turn we should also c/c river because they may even bet these hands like K-Q for value otr as well. Our hand is under-repped when we check both flop and turn.
thoughts on that?
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
I can’t promise you how any particular opponent will play, but you should realize that your opponent has more incentive to call bets with second-best hands than he has to bet them. Bluff-catching is rarely a significantly +EV proposition. That doesn’t mean it’s generally incorrect, but it’s more of a “lesser of two evils” thing than a spot you should actively be trying to create. What you’re doing here is really the opposite of pot control – you’re giving your opponent the option to get to the river for free when he wants to and also turn your (valuable) hand into a 0 EV bluff-catcher by betting a polarized range. You may be right that your bluff-catching will be +EV because you could be ahead of some portion of V’s value range, but in those cases you almost always do better by betting yourself than by bluff-catching. Save the bluff-catching for hands that aren’t strong enough to value bet.
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
joelshitshow said
With 14 bigs, what kind of flop are you hoping for when you call pre? I realize it’s 6.5:1 to flat, but how did you feel about your hand with TPGK? Would you have check-shoved the flop or turn if someone had bet?
That’s a good question to ask, but there’s more to “hope for”, as you say, than just the flop itself. It’s a combination of cards and opponent actions that create good situations for you. I’d say what happened here (prior to the river) is basically ideal: Ace on the flop, and everyone checks. You may be thinking that’s a lot to ask for you, and you’re right, but there are other (less) +EV spots, and you can afford to be picky when you’re getting such good odds to see the flop.
I think there’s a subtext in your question that Hero’s stack size means he has to commit to playing for all of his chips if he puts in any post-flop. FWIW, I don’t think that’s right, and I certainly wouldn’t do it by check-shoving: that just causes worse hands to fold and better hands to call.
September 14, 2014
@foucault, Totally agree , thank you 🙂
@EvilKermit , i feel okay about my hand, it’s just that V was tight , so i thought i could be out-kicked, we do have reverse implied odds here especially against a tighter opponent? i probably would have check shoved vs either opponents yeah or maybe c/c flop and called a turn shove. If we had c/c flop with this hand , does anyone think folding turn would be ok? i think we’d be left with like less then 10bb. If they bet turn they likely do have a hand better then AT , so i dont think folding turn would be terrible vs this opponent, just a bit difficult to fold TPGK when stacks are shallow.
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