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Good spot to turn top pair into a bluff?
redvulture61
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June 15, 2013 - 6:56 am
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PokerStars Hand #100070902104: Tournament #809010226, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2013/06/15 6:37:24 ET
Table '809010226 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: benj hamza (3029 in chips) 
Seat 2: calexc123 (1760 in chips) 
Seat 3: akinari1212 (6235 in chips) 
Seat 4: p*ker ross (3000 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 5: redvulture61 (4043 in chips) 
Seat 6: slimons (3731 in chips) 
Seat 7: fishyfishy30 (2385 in chips) 
Seat 8: Count_NN (2634 in chips) 
Seat 9: Arancar Aust (2689 in chips) 
redvulture61: posts small blind 25
slimons: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redvulture61 [Ks 9s]
fishyfishy30: folds 
Count_NN: folds 
Arancar Aust: folds 
benj hamza: folds 
calexc123: folds 
akinari1212: raises 69 to 119
redvulture61: calls 94
slimons: calls 69
*** FLOP *** [2s 7d 6d]
redvulture61: checks 
slimons: checks 
akinari1212: bets 129
redvulture61: calls 129
slimons: folds 
*** TURN *** [2s 7d 6d] [6s]
redvulture61: checks 
akinari1212: bets 339
redvulture61: calls 339
*** RIVER *** [2s 7d 6d 6s] [9c]
redvulture61: checks 
akinari1212: bets 699
redvulture61: raises 851 to 1550
akinari1212: folds 
Uncalled bet (851) returned to redvulture61
redvulture61 collected 2691 from pot
redvulture61: doesn't show hand 
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2691 | Rake 0 
Board [2s 7d 6d 6s 9c]
Seat 1: benj hamza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: calexc123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: akinari1212 (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: redvulture61 (small blind) collected (2691)
Seat 6: slimons (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: fishyfishy30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Count_NN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Arancar Aust folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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You’re actually betting for value here most of the time I think. His button open was on the small side, and then he followed it up with three barrels at around half pot each time because your line was so weak. I’d put him on Ax or any two broadway cards. Possibly some suited connectors that didn’t hit the board.

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I dislike the call in the SB. I would 3b or fold here with K9s and flat a few bigger broadway hands that play better postflop. Flop float is ambitious with a player behind and I think we should be check raising turn once we pick up equity. I would prefer a flop donk rather than a XC. The river XR seems nonsensical because I don't see anyone folding better to such a small raise. It is an easy XC and I would expect to see worse 9x value betting, busted diamonds, or spades. I don't see any reason to turn this 9 into a bluff given his wide BU range.

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I'd likely have done some things differently early in the hand, namely I would have 3bet or folded pre.  After making the call pre though I don't mind the floats and like that more than donking as I see a lot of players just blasting donk bets with raises.  I tend to only donk air against bad players who fold too much or I donk to induce regs who I know like to raise those bets.  As played I don't see any reason to raise the river.  If you are turning your top pair into a bluff what do you think he folding that beats you?  Every draw missed so I think he is snapping you with over pairs most if not all of the time.  I don't really like it for value either as I can't see many hands he would have double barrelled that call your check raise and lose to your hand aside from maybe 88 or A7.  If you were deeper I'd like it even less as he could jam over the top of you and possibly force you to fold the best hand, but it looks like you were too shallow here to fold under that circumstance.  I think you pitched this as a hand where the issue is turning top pair into a bluff, but I think the way the hand was played, the real issue is whether this was a good spot to value raise.

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packallama said:

I dislike the call in the SB. I would 3b or fold here with K9s and flat a few bigger broadway hands that play better postflop. Flop float is ambitious with a player behind and I think we should be check raising turn once we pick up equity. I would prefer a flop donk rather than a XC. The river XR seems nonsensical because I don't see anyone folding better to such a small raise. It is an easy XC and I would expect to see worse 9x value betting, busted diamonds, or spades. I don't see any reason to turn this 9 into a bluff given his wide BU range.

+1 to everything

 

Flatting pre is suspect, you dont flop all that well, you are entising BB to come along, meaing you are bascially attempting to play 3 way OOP, with a marginal holding.  3 bet or fold.

 

The flop float is fine assuming you are do it with the right plans(and based off the rest of the hand not sure if thats true).

 

That is a very bad turn for you to rep much of anything.  You dont have many 6's in your range, so the number o fhands he ahs to worry about are slimmer.

 

The river c/r is really doing nothing.  At top level play, this c/r could get a hand liek TT or JJ to fold, but at that smae level they are value betting enough to warrant just calling, so no need to bluff.  You hit your gin card after double floating, you are not bluffing, you are vlauetowning yourself here.  

 

Another major problem here is that you dont get to gather information, you can easily call ehre, with probably the best hand, and you get to elarn how villain plays hands, what hes opening from button, etc.  By raising and him folding, we know he didnt have much of anything, but did he have a flush draw and thats why he doubled? I she doing it with somehting complete trash like k3o?  did he open 34o?  This si stuff we dont learn.

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CCuster 911 said:

 

Another major problem here is that you dont get to gather information, you can easily call ehre, with probably the best hand, and you get to elarn how villain plays hands, what hes opening from button, etc.  By raising and him folding, we know he didnt have much of anything, but did he have a flush draw and thats why he doubled? I she doing it with somehting complete trash like k3o?  did he open 34o?  This si stuff we dont learn.

Absolutely +1 this. If there is any chance that you may be sitting with this player for any length of time, knowing how he plays becomes increasingly valuable information. Especially seeing as you would normally have position on him.

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