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Obv I'm a low stakes newbie but railing GoLeafsgoeh and I thought this was a good spot to pick up a load of dead money with a shove from the BB? am I worn gin my thinking? is it a leak for me? Would it usually be a shove regardless of cards?
Would love to get a higher level thought on this???????
Poker Stars $5000+$200 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t15000/t30000 Blinds + t3750 – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
vic_xcite (UTG): BB = 32.0, t959856
Kallllle (UTG+1): BB = 135.3, t4060410
Rekrapmas (MP): BB = 34.9, t1045846
zivziv (CO): BB = 24.1, t722687
VadziMoney (BTN): BB = 76.4, t2293480
goleafsgoeh (SB): BB = 21.5, t646467
huiiiiiiiiii (BB): BB = 59.4, t1781293
Pre Flop: (t71250)
vic_xcite raises to t62345, Kallllle calls t62345, 2 folds, VadziMoney calls t62345, 2 folds
well i'm obv not a high stake reg but have an opinion
firstly, when you say regardless of cards do you mean he should shove 100%?
If so, this is flawed thinking
He would constantly be assigning hand ranges to villains and weighing up his equity prior to making each move. Shoving even 70% or so of his hands here means he picks up the dead money a % of the time, but of the times he gets called he's going to be in very bad shape.
The other thing i can say is that these guys are so aware of the stack sizes behind them that they will often flat call an OR with the intention of trapping a perfect reshove stack such as mike had in this spot.
More and more these days at my stakes (small to medium buy-ins) i see the OR fold and the person behind them snap off the squeeze shove with hands like 99+AJs+
Anyway, i truly hope he's been recording this b/c theres a couple of spots i really want to know what he had!
Be an epic video if he FT's!
I don’t think kallllle is flatting here lightly, or at least has a hand he’s calling a 20bb squeeze shove with given stack sizes. This would be better if a squeeze shove represented a significant portion of their stacks, but it doesn’t. I don’t think there’s enough fold equity to squeeze shove any two against kalllle here. Also, in mike’s position, his edge will be later on over most of these players, so he needs to look for dynamite spots against weaker players that he can put pressure on them because of the money at stake. Kallllle is not one of them. Remember, you want to keep your edge over weaker players, and that involves isolating people who you can put significant pressure on.
My point : Mike here represents a 19bb shove (after raises) and only 15% of Kalllles stack. There is already 8-9bb in the pot, which gives Kallllle about 3:1, or calling 388,000 more to win 931,000. He calls far too lightly here to shove any two.
Ah cheers for the post guys, this is obviosuly why I'm attling around in the big $2.20 and the big $5.50 lol and Mike is making the right play and coming 3rd in this event instead lol.
Off to the coaching forum to book in I go.
The depth of thought here is a little deeper, I would need a pretty decent ranged hand here to be shoving atleast top 15% because UTG is right above 30BB once down another 5BB or so his game dynamic has to change to protect his stack basically sniping out opens as you're sub jesting here, aslo his stack forces him to play pretty ABC according to position early tighter later looser with the large stacks all still to act, with that in mind I'm giving UTG some credit for a calling hand , as for UTG +1 he's got a massive stack and a more than likely 40-30% top hand wanting to crush a flop or could be trapping by setting up the squeeze, BTN is deep as well and is probably playing position. I'm not getting involved unless I've got a/qo+ or 10's+
rlamanna said:
I don't think kallllle is flatting here lightly, or at least has a hand he's calling a 20bb squeeze shove with given stack sizes. This would be better if a squeeze shove represented a significant portion of their stacks, but it doesn't. I don't think there's enough fold equity to squeeze shove any two against kalllle here. Also, in mike's position, his edge will be later on over most of these players, so he needs to look for dynamite spots against weaker players that he can put pressure on them because of the money at stake. Kallllle is not one of them. Remember, you want to keep your edge over weaker players, and that involves isolating people who you can put significant pressure on.
My point : Mike here represents a 19bb shove (after raises) and only 15% of Kalllles stack. There is already 8-9bb in the pot, which gives Kallllle about 3:1, or calling 388,000 more to win 931,000. He calls far too lightly here to shove any two.
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