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Villian had moved to table and was active. I decided after watching him for around four orbits to hit him with a three bet and play with him. Smallish three bet and he calls flop 10 high. Now he check calls two streets. 22K left for him after check small value shove or check it up?
Poker Stars $8.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t70 – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
claudy923 (CO): BB = 19.1, t11448
Travers22 (BTN): BB = 37.7, t22626
mrdollarbill (SB): BB = 39.4, t23652
MorongoPro (BB): BB = 25.5, t15280
donnieG30 (UTG): BB = 14.5, t8699
zaki74 (UTG+1): BB = 11.2, t6709
tayballer (MP1): BB = 64.4, t38659
Hero (MP2): BB = 75.1, t45066
Pre Flop: (t1460) Hero is MP2 with J
T
2 folds, tayballer raises to t1474, Hero raises to t3185, 4 folds, tayballer calls t1711
Flop: (t7830) 8 T 2
(2 players)
tayballer checks, Hero bets t3455, tayballer calls t3455
Turn: (t14740) 4 (2 players)
tayballer checks, Hero bets t8885, tayballer calls t8885
River: (t32510) 2
(2 players)
tayballer checks
I check. Seems like the only hands he can check call 3 streets with are hands that will beat you. I'd be thinking kicker issues.
his range here could be 55-77, 99, JJ, maybe even QQ scared of KK/AA, A10/s, K10s or 88/1010/AA waiting to c/r ai. Although you could get some low pairs to call you, there are more hands in his range that beat you playing pot control. so i would def check back
October 6, 2010
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i would check back here, he could easily have JJ, QQ or a higher T
I check also, same logic as above. His range for check-calling you on the river has you beat too many times
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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Agree with everything above.
June 22, 2010
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I would go with a check, you have a good hand for showndown but he may have better. You do not want to spew any addiontal chips.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
I agree check…. if he is a true spewtard he probably check called you down with QJ wanting his gutty but still no value in betting the river as its possible his range could still have you beat
Ya, go ahead and check really tough to get three streets of value from worse hands here.
Depends on the player if he's aggro I'd bet for thin value probably like (6000-7000). He's probably holding like JQ A/x of hearts or 10/x. I believe you're only beat by two hands here 10/Q or 10/K because if he had A/10 I think he'd probably raise flop because your bet being kind of smallish not to say I could be wrong about the A/10 because he might be pot controlling since you 3bet Pre which still only puts 3 hands ahead of you. Any other greater PP would probably put a raise in at some point more than likely the flop I believe. If you bet that amount it accomplishes something with a call or fold. Call: You're maximizing value from his Smaller PP, weaker 10's or whatever he decides to look you up with. With the slimmer chance you bet and he has you beat that bet leaves you with over 35BB which leaves you a C-bet or two if you miss a flop in the future. Fold: I personally hate tabling light 3bet's it wrecks your table image which is worth its weight it gold to me.
If he's been a nit or you lack any information on the player I check.
How's my logic here? I believe this makes good sense.
Agree.. prolly just nitting it up and check seems fine.. Cant do much with Pair Masters as this dude seems to be..
Pairmaster/calling station.. IDK i hate playing with them unless i actually have 2 pair or better.. they are so Darrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…
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October 6, 2010
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not sure about your first line flgtb. i dont think aggros ever check call with those types of hands. i very much doubt anyone check raises the flop with AT here, that is turning your hand into a bluff, its a dry board do the only hands that continue after a check raise here are sets and overpairs (villain would not put J9 or 79 in our preflop 3bet range that often)
i cant see how this is anything but pot controlling a made hand. that made hand could possible be 99, but very few worse tens are in villains range give that a preflop call means playing out of position. so this is either AT, 99, or JJ/QQ that is taking a pot control line. i really dont see any other sort of hands here – if villain is active, and had a hand without much showdown value, then he would have tried to take it away by now.
My post seems pretty player specific as I read it again. I guess maybe aggro was a bad description I seem to be more describing an active player (call station, fish, aggro or whatever it may be), given the stakes I still think valuing here is good against the right player. Check is probably the best general answer.
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