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This is a $11 morning tourney on Merge with 72 runners and still early. Villian is running 38/9 over 45 hands. My question is vs. this type of villian, is this a barrel spot on the turn or a check? If we check and he barrels, do we check-raise? He is likely to fold at that point. What if we check, he barrels and we just flat, do we lead out most rivers? How are we likely to get most value in your opinion? Thanks.
Merge Network $500 Guaranteed Freezeout No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50.00/t100.00 Blinds – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
kingmidas1972 (SB): t3324.00 33.24 BBs
D0nnieD4rko (BB): t5105.00 51.05 BBs
Hero (UTG): t3999.00 39.99 BBs
bahiense2 (UTG+1): t5850.00 58.50 BBs
redwagonfl (MP): t2751.00 27.51 BBs
etrain13 (CO): t2270.00 22.70 BBs
ernesto1948 (BTN): t3964.00 39.64 BBs
Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with K
A
Hero raises to t200.00, 1 fold, redwagonfl calls t200, etrain13 calls t200, 2 folds, D0nnieD4rko calls t100
Flop: (t850) J 4 8
(4 players)
D0nnieD4rko checks, Hero bets t380.00, redwagonfl calls t380, etrain13 folds, D0nnieD4rko folds
Turn: (t1610) 3 (2 players)
Hero?
May 31, 2012
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38/9 does'nt say anything how he plays postflop but against a regular drooler a bet/bet/shove line is almost always the best way and bet big on all streets. It's much more easy to call a 40-50% bet on the river than making it potsized (don't worry about balancing in a 500$ gtd tourney). Therefore your cbet has to be bigger; 550-600 is much better. Four villains and somebody has to have a piece on this board.
October 6, 2010
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i probably prefer to cbet a little bigger, say 420, but i dont see any reason to bet 600
on the turn i am just trying to set up for a river shove. so at present turn is 1610, and villain has 2171 left in his stack. therefore i would be betting quite small here, try and give the feeling for the villain that he can call again and then is all of a sudden comitted.
so i would be betting really small, like 666 or something like that. that way, pot will be around 3200 and villain will only have half pot left on the river and will want to call with just about anything.
June 3, 2012
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Preflop raise should be a 3x pre but I like the rest, I would be betting all 3 streets 1/2 1/2 jam
July 20, 2012
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I don't see why preflop has to be 3x just because it is pre-antes. I know that some pros (eg bigdog) will do that but many others wouldn't. I would probably raise to around 240 at this level but am fine with the minraise. I think your cbet sizing is fine too.
Given that the guy flats your cbet he has some piece of the board and now it is your mission to get all his chips so I am barelling the turn every time there… actually just read Benny's post, I find it boring to just agree with him again.
June 3, 2012
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3x for value
May 30, 2012
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are you 3xing your entire range from every position HurricaneJeff?
unfortunately also agree with benny regarding postflop sizing
June 3, 2012
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no not entire range, I've been going on the basis that the earlier position you are you should raise more….ie if you are utg 3x, MP 2.5x, button 2x. Sitting deep pre ante.
ill really only 3x it with some preflop limpers or if i know that nobody at the table is gonna catch on to me 3xing with big hands, 2-2.5xing with smaller hands.
i like barreling turn bc his flop calling range here should be Jx (and now possibly Jx with a diamond kicker), some sets and some smaller flush draws, and if he's as big of a drooler as his preflop stats show hes prob not gonna fold any of these on this turn. id be betting 600-900 to a)induce shoves or b)build a pot for turn shove
I did barrel turn about 740 I think and he folded. Just got me thinking about these situations and wanted some opinions vs. this type of player and other styles as well. Thanks everyone.
July 31, 2012
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hurricanejeff said:
no not entire range, I've been going on the basis that the earlier position you are you should raise more….ie if you are utg 3x, MP 2.5x, button 2x. Sitting deep pre ante.
If anything it seems like the opposite should be done.. utg raise looks strong as it is, if you 3x you are killing your action with premiums imo. While button raises tend to be less believable, thus warranting a 3x to get more chips in the pot if you have a big hand, you will also probably be getting played back at less with your weaker button opening range by 3xing. Personally i would just keep my raise sizing the same from every position though except from sb
July 3, 2010
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Same. I size my SB opens bigger but aside from that whatever size I am using pre and post-antes, I'm using that sizing from all positions at the table.
There is some merit to saying you should size your EP opens bigger to discourage a flatter which cuts down on your chances of getting flatted in many spots, but there are also enough counter-arguments to that where I think it's a wash.
August 5, 2012
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well i dont mind the 3x… you dont want to get 4 flatters and get stuck in a horrible spot in EP if you dont flop a monster, if someone is game to call a 2.5x then there generally going to call a 3x… but if you open 2.5x you might pick up more flatters that would have folded to your 3x, i open the same amount from all positions, but if i was to to it anyt other way i think it would be the same as jeff
July 31, 2012
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I'd take a similar line to benny's, although I would check to him the river with 1500 or 1600 left in his stack and see what he does. If he checks behind, he has a marginal hand that wouldn't pay you off if you shove on him anyway. If you try to go for half of his remaining stack, say 800, I doubt he'd call there either with a marginal hand, leaving himself 8 BBs. He may shove on you when you check with what he thinks is the best hand or with a bluff, either way we get full value. He'll have about a 1/2 pot shove which will look like fold equity.
Since he folded to your turn bet, he didn't have much anyway. When he calls your flop bet, it's difficult to know exactly how strong his hand is and what line is best when you turn the nuts. When in doubt, agression is usually the best. If he folds, good, you won a pot. If he goes crazy and shoves with nothing or a weak hand, all the better. You won the hand with the nuts. Overanalyzing every situation where you can potentially get your opponents whole stack is a waste of time, since most of the time, they won't give it to you.
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